Thread: Nationality of Judges in "World" Title Fights?

Originally Posted by Fenster

err.. you mean like the Scots and Welsh hating the English?

Difference is,if its a Yank against an Englishmen,youd put aside differences for one night
The only way those three cities would put aside their differences would involve tactical nuke strikes

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Fenster

err.. you mean like the Scots and Welsh hating the English?

Difference is,if its a Yank against an Englishmen,youd put aside differences for one night
The only way those three cities would put aside their differences would involve tactical nuke strikes

No.. that's not the case at all. Wow! You'd be surprised how deep and passionate the hatred is between the home nations for certain peoples.

You know some Manchester UTD footballer supporters will cheer for Hatton to lose because he supports Man City.. that's people from his hometown.

In a recent WBO boxing contest - Alex Arthur (scotland) blamed the three English judges and English ref for favouring his English opponent Nicky Cook.

Don't leave the fight up to the judges, then it really won't even matter where they're from. Judging cheating etc....is a people thing not a race thing.

there are more and higher ranked judges in the states,its a larger pool to choose from

The same judges names pop up time and time again though... Chuck Giampa, Dave Moretti, Paul Smith etc...

Originally Posted by Mar

Don't leave the fight up to the judges, then it really won't even matter where they're from. Judging cheating etc....is a people thing not a race thing.

err..a?

Originally Posted by Fenster

there are more and higher ranked judges in the states,its a larger pool to choose from

The same judges names pop up time and time again though... Chuck Giampa, Dave Moretti, Paul Smith etc...

Your not getting either
A) The judges get ranked as well,and they dont get to judge fights if theyre ranking isnt good
or
B) We're having the same round and round as we allways do about Nationality,there is no Nationality in the states,none whatsoever. About the only thing I have in common with someone from Kansas is that we are both carbon based lifeforms
No common food,no common dress,not even common race,absolutely nothing whatsoever.
You live in a country that has generally the same basic ethnicity(dont even try,I know more about British history then you do I guarantee it)I live in a country where nobody has anything in common with anyone,ever.
I am no closer to a Floridian then I am to the moon(Which I learned the hard way when I had to live there for a year) region by region everything is different,its like going to a foriegn continent,and none of them like each other

The sanctioning bodies are operated by/staffed with mainly US people including judges. You do get foreign judges officiating at big US fights (eg. the English gut (Larry O' Connell?) that gave Lewis-Holyfield 1 to Holyfield) but often it's the same small group of people who get picked from, make of that what you will.

I think it's just cheaper for the sanctioning bodies to assess and accredit domestic people and physically get them to the fights. They all grew from basically one-man bands (the WBU iirc is run from a cottage in Norfolk) so they're naturally going to start with the cheapest, easiest options to get enough judges to run their rackets, sorry, sanctioning bodies.

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Fenster

there are more and higher ranked judges in the states,its a larger pool to choose from

The same judges names pop up time and time again though... Chuck Giampa, Dave Moretti, Paul Smith etc...

Your not getting either
A) The judges get ranked as well,and they dont get to judge fights if theyre ranking isnt good
or
B) We're having the same round and round as we allways do about Nationality,there is no Nationality in the states,none whatsoever. About the only thing I have in common with someone from Kansas is that we are both carbon based lifeforms
No common food,no common dress,not even common race,absolutely nothing whatsoever.
You live in a country that has generally the same basic ethnicity(dont even try,I know more about British history then you do I guarantee it)I live in a country where nobody has anything in common with anyone,ever.
I am no closer to a Floridian then I am to the moon(Which I learned the hard way when I had to live there for a year) region by region everything is different,its like going to a foriegn continent,and none of them like each other

Blimey! I think your world view is a bit naive and a tad warped.

And I haven't got a clue what any of that has do with ONLY in America we can find THREE American Judges deciding the outcome of a fight that involves a non-American.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Fenster

The same judges names pop up time and time again though... Chuck Giampa, Dave Moretti, Paul Smith etc...

Your not getting either
A) The judges get ranked as well,and they dont get to judge fights if theyre ranking isnt good
or
B) We're having the same round and round as we allways do about Nationality,there is no Nationality in the states,none whatsoever. About the only thing I have in common with someone from Kansas is that we are both carbon based lifeforms
No common food,no common dress,not even common race,absolutely nothing whatsoever.
You live in a country that has generally the same basic ethnicity(dont even try,I know more about British history then you do I guarantee it)I live in a country where nobody has anything in common with anyone,ever.
I am no closer to a Floridian then I am to the moon(Which I learned the hard way when I had to live there for a year) region by region everything is different,its like going to a foriegn continent,and none of them like each other

Blimey! I think your world view is a bit naive and a tad warped.

And I haven't got a clue what any of that has do with ONLY in America we can find THREE American Judges deciding the outcome of a fight that involves a non-American.

Im sure if I had the time energy,and desire,I could find a Mexican on Peurto Rican fight that had nothing but Mexican judges
And as far as Naive,or maybe geographically challenged,do you know how many time you could drive up and down the Isles before you did the trip from LA to Philly?
Youve floated these test balloons before Fenster,so Im considering the source,and the source has no clue whatsoever how the states operate.

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

The sanctioning bodies are operated by/staffed with mainly US people including judges. You do get foreign judges officiating at big US fights (eg. the English gut (Larry O' Connell?) that gave Lewis-Holyfield 1 to Holyfield) but often it's the same small group of people who get picked from, make of that what you will.

I think it's just cheaper for the sanctioning bodies to assess and accredit domestic people and physically get them to the fights. They all grew from basically one-man bands (the WBU iirc is run from a cottage in Norfolk) so they're naturally going to start with the cheapest, easiest options to get enough judges to run their rackets, sorry, sanctioning bodies.

Yeah there's numerous examples of foreign judges officiating in the States.

That doesn't answer though why outside the States there's no fight with home-country judges.. the sanctioning bodies can't appoint three UK judges?

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

The sanctioning bodies are operated by/staffed with mainly US people including judges. You do get foreign judges officiating at big US fights (eg. the English gut (Larry O' Connell?) that gave Lewis-Holyfield 1 to Holyfield) but often it's the same small group of people who get picked from, make of that what you will.

I think it's just cheaper for the sanctioning bodies to assess and accredit domestic people and physically get them to the fights. They all grew from basically one-man bands (the WBU iirc is run from a cottage in Norfolk) so they're naturally going to start with the cheapest, easiest options to get enough judges to run their rackets, sorry, sanctioning bodies.

Yeah there's numerous examples of foreign judges officiating in the States.

That doesn't answer though why outside the States there's no fight with home-country judges.. the sanctioning bodies can't appoint three UK judges?

And Ive explained it too you 5 times now,and so did Kirkland,its cheaper,theres a deeper pool to choose from

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Your not getting either
A) The judges get ranked as well,and they dont get to judge fights if theyre ranking isnt good
or
B) We're having the same round and round as we allways do about Nationality,there is no Nationality in the states,none whatsoever. About the only thing I have in common with someone from Kansas is that we are both carbon based lifeforms
No common food,no common dress,not even common race,absolutely nothing whatsoever.
You live in a country that has generally the same basic ethnicity(dont even try,I know more about British history then you do I guarantee it)I live in a country where nobody has anything in common with anyone,ever.
I am no closer to a Floridian then I am to the moon(Which I learned the hard way when I had to live there for a year) region by region everything is different,its like going to a foriegn continent,and none of them like each other

Blimey! I think your world view is a bit naive and a tad warped.

And I haven't got a clue what any of that has do with ONLY in America we can find THREE American Judges deciding the outcome of a fight that involves a non-American.

Im sure if I had the time energy,and desire,I could find a Mexican on Peurto Rican fight that had nothing but Mexican judges
And as far as Naive,or maybe geographically challenged,do you know how many time you could drive up and down the Isles before you did the trip from LA to Philly?
Youve floated these test balloons before Fenster,so Im considering the source,and the source has no clue whatsoever how the states operate.

Please do.. make sure it's a "world" title on the line though. Probably pretty obvious for three Mexicans to judge an all Mexican fight.

I hope you understand Britain is not made up of 60 million whites?

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

The sanctioning bodies are operated by/staffed with mainly US people including judges. You do get foreign judges officiating at big US fights (eg. the English gut (Larry O' Connell?) that gave Lewis-Holyfield 1 to Holyfield) but often it's the same small group of people who get picked from, make of that what you will.

I think it's just cheaper for the sanctioning bodies to assess and accredit domestic people and physically get them to the fights. They all grew from basically one-man bands (the WBU iirc is run from a cottage in Norfolk) so they're naturally going to start with the cheapest, easiest options to get enough judges to run their rackets, sorry, sanctioning bodies.

Yeah there's numerous examples of foreign judges officiating in the States.

That doesn't answer though why outside the States there's no fight with home-country judges.. the sanctioning bodies can't appoint three UK judges?

And Ive explained it too you 5 times now,and so did Kirkland,its cheaper,theres a deeper pool to choose from

It's CHEAPER to send an American to Britain?

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

The sanctioning bodies are operated by/staffed with mainly US people including judges. You do get foreign judges officiating at big US fights (eg. the English gut (Larry O' Connell?) that gave Lewis-Holyfield 1 to Holyfield) but often it's the same small group of people who get picked from, make of that what you will.

I think it's just cheaper for the sanctioning bodies to assess and accredit domestic people and physically get them to the fights. They all grew from basically one-man bands (the WBU iirc is run from a cottage in Norfolk) so they're naturally going to start with the cheapest, easiest options to get enough judges to run their rackets, sorry, sanctioning bodies.

Yeah there's numerous examples of foreign judges officiating in the States.

That doesn't answer though why outside the States there's no fight with home-country judges.. the sanctioning bodies can't appoint three UK judges?

The BBBC wouldn't let them. I don't think they even let the WBU/F do that. If it's a world title fight in Britain, even a WBU fight, the BBBC want to at least look like they're fair and impartial. In the States, especially Vegas, the powers-that-be want judges who are reliable in that they'll vote for the aggressive fighter in a fight to encourage more exciting fights. IMHO anyway.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Fenster

Yeah there's numerous examples of foreign judges officiating in the States.

That doesn't answer though why outside the States there's no fight with home-country judges.. the sanctioning bodies can't appoint three UK judges?

And Ive explained it too you 5 times now,and so did Kirkland,its cheaper,theres a deeper pool to choose from

It's CHEAPER to send an American to Britain?

Lets try it using math,if there are 100 acredited judges from the states,and 50 others world wide,what are the odds that sooner or later a fight would end up with three American Judges?
Hell count your blessings until the late 60's European judges almost never got used in the states,youve come along way baby