Thread: Cotto may never be the same

Time will tell how the Margorito loss has affected his mental state. We will know a bit more in a few month's. I personally would like to see the kid comeback strong. I would reccomend he come down to 140 and stay there. There is a ton of money south of 147

Originally Posted by Stanley Steemer

Time will tell how the Margorito loss has affected his mental state. We will know a bit more in a few month's. I personally would like to see the kid comeback strong. I would reccomend he come down to 140 and stay there. There is a ton of money south of 147

I think there is no chance he would ever try and get back to 140, he moved up because he struggled making the weight.

I dont think Cotto has a stamina problem at all. He was swinginging the whole fight landing flush shots. Its just that he doesnt have the best chin in the world, you cant change that. He also should have changed up his game plan once he realized he wasnt hurting Margarito. Other than that he fought an awsome fight! FOY!

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by Stanley Steemer

Time will tell how the Margorito loss has affected his mental state. We will know a bit more in a few month's. I personally would like to see the kid comeback strong. I would reccomend he come down to 140 and stay there. There is a ton of money south of 147

I think there is no chance he would ever try and get back to 140, he moved up because he struggled making the weight.

You're 100% correct. Cotto will never go back down to 140. He was killing himself making the weight. Welterweight is his weight. And as much money as there may be south of 147, there's probably even more at 147.

Here we go again. Cotto is NO welterweight. Never was. Half the guys in the division are small and should practice their trade at the lower weights. Cotto is nothing more than a Big Light Weight that should be able to dominate most of the guys at 140 and make a fortune doing so. Let the little guys come up to him i.e. Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins. However, we still need to see if the Margarito beating left him "damaged"

The problem is Cotto is not a very big welter but he couldn't really make 140, seeing him at some of the weighins, especially later on like the Malignaggi one he was as gaunt and sickly looking as anybody I've ever seen.

I wouldn't say he's a small welter though, but he's not a big one by any means.

Originally Posted by Stanley Steemer

Here we go again. Cotto is NO welterweight. Never was. Half the guys in the division are small and should practice their trade at the lower weights. Cotto is nothing more than a Big Light Weight that should be able to dominate most of the guys at 140 and make a fortune doing so. Let the little guys come up to him i.e. Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins. However, we still need to see if the Margarito beating left him "damaged"

Ok this is one of those topics where you just have to shake your head at what you're reading. Ok so you know better than Cotto himself what weight he feels more comfortable in? Small or not, if Cotto can't make the weight comfortably at 140 and feels drained (according to none other than Cotto himself)... who are we to say he belongs at 140? Help me out here, for I do not understand.

i think if theres anything that can be said about miguel cotto, its that hes obviously got a very strong character. the loss he suffered against margarito would have finished alot of fighters am sure, but i doubt it will cotto. i see him dusting himself off and getting straight back to business in 2009. the guys a warrior.

I think people are getting a little carried away in saying Cotto will never be the same...he didnt take a Lacy/Cal, Pavlik/Hop, or Citron/Marg style beating (or even Hatton/Mayweather)...he was competitive in the first part of the fight.......Margarito just wore him down....

I think he is going to be fine....In the rematch I think he will be more competitive down the stretch with Tony but will still lose a decision....

Originally Posted by pavlikfan

i think if theres anything that can be said about miguel cotto, its that hes obviously got a very strong character. the loss he suffered against margarito would have finished alot of fighters am sure, but i doubt it will cotto. i see him dusting himself off and getting straight back to business in 2009. the guys a warrior.

How do we know that he has a strong "character"?

Originally Posted by OnixAA

Originally Posted by pavlikfan

i think if theres anything that can be said about miguel cotto, its that hes obviously got a very strong character. the loss he suffered against margarito would have finished alot of fighters am sure, but i doubt it will cotto. i see him dusting himself off and getting straight back to business in 2009. the guys a warrior.

How do we know that he has a strong "character"?

I dunno... depends how you define "character" in boxing. If you define it as someone who is dedicated to the ring and sport and always gives his all in the ring... if you define it as someone who does not need to trash-talk anyone, but rather let's his fists do the talking... if you define it as someone who takes on all opponents they put in front of him... if you define it as someone who refuses to make excuses when he is beaten... if you define it as someone who comports himself with class in and out of the ring...

Then yes... IMO, Cotto would qualify as having a strong character.

Does any of this help?

Originally Posted by Hunter

I think people are getting a little carried away in saying Cotto will never be the same...he didnt take a Lacy/Cal, Pavlik/Hop, or Citron/Marg style beating (or even Hatton/Mayweather)...he was competitive in the first part of the fight.......Margarito just wore him down....

I think he is going to be fine....In the rematch I think he will be more competitive down the stretch with Tony but will still lose a decision....

well if you are referring to the actual thread, my statement/question was Cotto may never be the same. Secondly, it's hard for us as fans to know what kind of losses are tougher on fighters. Are the blowouts worse? the close ones? or the ones that got away? There's an argument for all of them really. A blowout may not be as bad, because all you tell yourself is he or his style is better, ill stay away from him or his style. The close ones may not be as bad because you think to yourself I can get him next time. I just have to work on stamina or maybe a better jab, etc.

A lose like Cotto's to Margo is kinda the one that got away, cuz he had it and it got away and while you can also make an excuse or give yourself a reason why you lost and why its ok, it can be just as devasting to your mental make up as any other loss. Like i've said before that "death jog" of Tony's can really be an intimidating thing.

I wont take a thing from the opposition that Cotto has faced, he has faced very competitive opposition, but I would say the higher caliber of his opponents were at 140, now he moves to 147 and they have all been alittle past their prime or not as top notch. This loss to Margo may make him doubt his ability to compete against the top notch fighters at 147. So yes Cotto may never be the same.

Originally Posted by OnixAA

Originally Posted by Hunter

I think people are getting a little carried away in saying Cotto will never be the same...he didnt take a Lacy/Cal, Pavlik/Hop, or Citron/Marg style beating (or even Hatton/Mayweather)...he was competitive in the first part of the fight.......Margarito just wore him down....

I think he is going to be fine....In the rematch I think he will be more competitive down the stretch with Tony but will still lose a decision....

well if you are referring to the actual thread, my statement/question was Cotto may never be the same. Secondly, it's hard for us as fans to know what kind of losses are tougher on fighters. Are the blowouts worse? the close ones? or the ones that got away? There's an argument for all of them really. A blowout may not be as bad, because all you tell yourself is he or his style is better, ill stay away from him or his style. The close ones may not be as bad because you think to yourself I can get him next time. I just have to work on stamina or maybe a better jab, etc.

A lose like Cotto's to Margo is kinda the one that got away, cuz he had it and it got away and while you can also make an excuse or give yourself a reason why you lost and why its ok, it can be just as devasting to your mental make up as any other loss. Like i've said before that "death jog" of Tony's can really be an intimidating thing.

I wont take a thing from the opposition that Cotto has faced, he has faced very competitive opposition, but I would say the higher caliber of his opponents were at 140, now he moves to 147 and they have all been alittle past their prime or not as top notch. This loss to Margo may make him doubt his ability to compete against the top notch fighters at 147. So yes Cotto may never be the same.

LOL... "death jog"... that's a pretty good way of putting it. And when you add Margo's evil smile while he's doing his "death jog", it must be even worse.

Regarding the main point, I think it's always tough for a previously unbeaten fighter, who has begun to think of himself as invincible, to suffer his first loss. And in this case, Cotto boxed a beautiful first half of the fight, only to see Tony shrug off his best shots and stalk him down. It HAS to be tough mentally. But if any fighter has the mental makeup to deal with that and go on, it's Cotto. That's what I'm betting on, anyway.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by OnixAA

Originally Posted by pavlikfan

i think if theres anything that can be said about miguel cotto, its that hes obviously got a very strong character. the loss he suffered against margarito would have finished alot of fighters am sure, but i doubt it will cotto. i see him dusting himself off and getting straight back to business in 2009. the guys a warrior.

How do we know that he has a strong "character"?

I dunno... depends how you define "character" in boxing. If you define it as someone who is dedicated to the ring and sport and always gives his all in the ring... if you define it as someone who does not need to trash-talk anyone, but rather let's his fists do the talking... if you define it as someone who takes on all opponents they put in front of him... if you define it as someone who refuses to make excuses when he is beaten... if you define it as someone who comports himself with class in and out of the ring...

Then yes... IMO, Cotto would qualify as having a strong character.

Does any of this help?

Ok you just described every fighter that is competitive in the sport, except for the trash talk part, so if they all have character what makes Cotto so special? and why can he bounce back from this one and Jeff Lacy not bounce back from from his loss to JC? Maybe its not that Lacy couldnt bounce back maybe it was like some other posters have said in the past about him, maybe he got "found out"...maybe Cotto got "found out" I'm not saying that specifically but the argument could be made for it.

Originally Posted by Stanley Steemer

Here we go again. Cotto is NO welterweight. Never was. Half the guys in the division are small and should practice their trade at the lower weights. Cotto is nothing more than a Big Light Weight that should be able to dominate most of the guys at 140 and make a fortune doing so. Let the little guys come up to him i.e. Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins. However, we still need to see if the Margarito beating left him "damaged"

What are you talking about ? Miguel Cotto was weight drained at Jr Welterweight, he was weaker and was getting rocked by fighters who aren't known as big punchers.

As soon as he moved up he looked physically stronger, and his punch resistance was much better. He lost to Antonio Margarito because Antonio Margarito put too much pressure on, and never allowed Miguel Cotto to get a break.

It's nothing to do with Miguel Cotto being a small Welterweight, i can safely say for 100 percent had any other Welterweight in the world today, took the punches Antonio Margarito did. They wouldn't of been standing.

Its just Antonio Margarito has an unbelievable chin, unbelievable stamina, and unbelievable determination. All the 3 things above were too much for Miguel Cotto. And in the end it was nothing to do with Miguel Cotto's chin.

It was due to Antonio Margarito slowly but surely giving him a throughout beating, hitting him on the arms, shoulders, chest, everywhere. Making him always feeling uncomfortable and making Miguel Cotto.

Waste alot of energy constantly moving, normally when Miguel Cotto is boxing he can stop and get a rest. But Antonio Margarito jumped right on Miguel Cotto when he looked to get a break, plus Miguel Cotto had a broken nose which effected his breathing.

All the things above yet again Miguel Cotto had not dealt with before, hopefully he can comeback and learn from his mistakes. Like other great champions have done before.