Thread: + Top 10 P4P from 135 and below +

Alright with so many brilliant matchups coming up in the lower weight classes I started thinking how P4P list would look minus the bigger guys.

So with that in mind here's my list.

1. JMM
2. Izzy
3. Rafa
4. Calderon
5. Vic
6. Caballero
7. Nonito
8. Nate
9. Joan
10. Montiel

Honors: JuanMa, Solis, Hasegawa, Moreno, Mijares.


A few things.
- I refuse to list John until he fights someone else with credibility I refuse to accept any excuses. I also think JMM beat him in the fight.
- Nonito although he holds a win over Vic, Vic wasn't P4P when Nonito beat him so you cant use that as a reason.
- The 1st 6 were easy to list it was the last 4 that I had to really move around.

I know JuanMa's not on there 'cause he only has two title defenses, but I suspect he'll be climbing that list in leaps and bounds before too long.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Alright with so many brilliant matchups coming up in the lower weight classes I started thinking how P4P list would look minus the bigger guys.

So with that in mind here's my list.

1. JMM
2. Izzy
3. Rafa
4. Calderon
5. Vic
6. Caballero
7. Nonito
8. Nate
9. Joan
10. Montiel

Honors: JuanMa, Solis, Hasegawa, Moreno, Mijares.


A few things.
- I refuse to list John until he fights someone else with credibility I refuse to accept any excuses. I also think JMM beat him in the fight.
- Nonito although he holds a win over Vic, Vic wasn't P4P when Nonito beat him so you cant use that as a reason.
- The 1st 6 were easy to list it was the last 4 that I had to really move around.

So im guessing that you think PAc is not coming back down ever?

Nates 135 so id take him out and add...Soto.

JMM now a lightweight too so Vasquez number 1 maybe.

Originally Posted by Boom Boom

Nates 135 so id take him out and add...Soto.

JMM now a lightweight too so Vasquez number 1 maybe.

My mistake...
I meant 135 and below...
Fixed the title of thread now.

Originally Posted by OnixAA

So im guessing that you think PAc is not coming back down ever?

Well I'm going by the div. the boxers last fought on.

Pac fought above 135 so that rules him out.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

I know JuanMa's not on there 'cause he only has two title defenses, but I suspect he'll be climbing that list in leaps and bounds before too long.

He's on the verge...
It had more to do with opposition then the fact that he's only had 2 defenses. Those 2 defenses could have came against better opponents he'd be in the top 10 now.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Boom Boom

Nates 135 so id take him out and add...Soto.

JMM now a lightweight too so Vasquez number 1 maybe.

My mistake...
I meant 135 and below...
Fixed the title of thread now.

Not a bad list. I like Chris John, hes a very good fighter imo, but as you said he has done nothing lately and is becoming another Pongseklek. Its too bad cause his skill are as good as anybody in the top 10....here a guy I like, what do you think of Hozumi Hasegawa? I think he could be on the list somewhere for sure. Good fighter with some solid wins but he seems to go under the radar.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Alright with so many brilliant matchups coming up in the lower weight classes I started thinking how P4P list would look minus the bigger guys.

So with that in mind here's my list.

1. JMM
2. Izzy
3. Rafa
4. Calderon
5. Vic
6. Caballero
7. Nonito
8. Nate
9. Joan
10. Montiel

Honors: JuanMa, Solis, Hasegawa, Moreno, Mijares.


A few things.
- I refuse to list John until he fights someone else with credibility I refuse to accept any excuses. I also think JMM beat him in the fight.
- Nonito although he holds a win over Vic, Vic wasn't P4P when Nonito beat him so you cant use that as a reason.
- The 1st 6 were easy to list it was the last 4 that I had to really move around.

I dont know mick, just cause vic beat mijares his above nonito and now a p4pder? I know vic dominated mijares but IMO if nonito and vic fought again. vic wouldn't win a single round again and would get knocked out again. I think both Nonito and Montiel are above vic. As good as we think Mijares is, we still gotta consider how good Nonito and MOntiel is too. If Mijares was clearly the superior fighter over Nonito and MOntiel then yea I may agree with you. Mijares is not though and has not proven much except his win over arce who I think is as overrated as vic is. IMO the nonito montiel showdown is the biggest match below 130 since rafa izzy 3.

His my list:

1.JMM (no need to explain)

2.Izzy (no need to explain)

3.Rafa (he came up in weight and beat izzy but lost the next two against izzy. he still neck and neck with izzy though IMO)

4.Calderon (still undefeated and is likely to retire undefeated)

5.Nonito - (Lost his second pro fight but has been perfect since then, inactive for a while lately but has ko'ed his last 4 oppenents. Including a dominating performance over Vic Darchinyan)

6.Montiel (With the defeat of Mijares, IMO Montiel is now the best match and toughest oppenent for NOnito)

7. Solis (this is the guy that is likely to be the reason while calderon wont retire undefeated.)

8. Vic (coming off a great win over Mijares, but IMO that just proves we overrated Mijares a bit after his win over arce. It does not mean Vic is suddenly super vic and we should disregard nonitos win over vic and montiels career as well)

9. Guzman (Not a fan of him but he do have talent, he just not handling his career wisely)

10. John (Just like Guzman, Im not a fan of his but he is a talent that is not being presented well worldwide.)



About Mijares, I like him a lot ever since his win over Arce and his ko win over sasakul but he was dominated by Vic and does have a total of 4 defeats. Plus His biggest win is over a guy I believe is overrated (Arce)

Nate, Juanma is just outside top 10 for me. I like Nate but his only big win lately is against Diaz, Diaz isn't exactly a p4p talent. Juanma like Nate doesn't really hold big win over a p4p talent. I have faith in Juanma though to break into top 10 p4p in the future.

1- Juan Manuel Marquez
2- Israel Vazquez
3- Rafael Marquez
4- Fernando Montiel
5- Ulises Solis
6- Ivan Calderon
7- Nonito Donaire
8- Vic Darchinyan
9- Celestino Caballero
10- Hozumi Hasegawa

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Alright with so many brilliant matchups coming up in the lower weight classes I started thinking how P4P list would look minus the bigger guys.

So with that in mind here's my list.

1. JMM
2. Izzy
3. Rafa
4. Calderon
5. Vic
6. Caballero
7. Nonito
8. Nate
9. Joan
10. Montiel

Honors: JuanMa, Solis, Hasegawa, Moreno, Mijares.


A few things.
- I refuse to list John until he fights someone else with credibility I refuse to accept any excuses. I also think JMM beat him in the fight.
- Nonito although he holds a win over Vic, Vic wasn't P4P when Nonito beat him so you cant use that as a reason.
- The 1st 6 were easy to list it was the last 4 that I had to really move around.

Why would Caballero be ahead of JML or Nonito? It isn't the fact that Vic wasn't p4p, its the fact that Nito outboxed him, then knocked him the fuck out that makes him way higher on there. Look what Juan Manuel Lopez did against Ponce de Leon, then look at Caballero's fight with him, enough said.

1. jmm
2. vasquez
3. calderon
4. montiel
5. rafa
6. solis
7. hasegawa
8. guzman
9. jml
10. juan diaz

1. JMM
2. Izzy
3. Rafa
4. Calderon
5. Vic
6. Nate
7. Caballero
8. Nonito
9. Montiel
10. Hasegawa

Honorable mentions, Archi, Roman Gonzalez, JML, Linares, Guzman.

I had to drop Guzman, because I have to think if he goes in against anyone anymore he loses on the scales

Originally Posted by Boom Boom

Not a bad list. I like Chris John, hes a very good fighter imo, but as you said he has done nothing lately and is becoming another Pongseklek. Its too bad cause his skill are as good as anybody in the top 10....here a guy I like, what do you think of Hozumi Hasegawa? I think he could be on the list somewhere for sure. Good fighter with some solid wins but he seems to go under the radar.

I agree with John he is slowly becoming Pongsaklek.
Hozumi is brilliant, I think he goes unoticed but when compiling the list I had to look at resumes side by side and the quality of his opposition as of late has been meh!

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

- Nonito although he holds a win over Vic, Vic wasn't P4P when Nonito beat him so you cant use that as a reason.
- Vic beat a P4P fighter in Mijares so he goes above.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

I dont know mick, just cause vic beat mijares his above nonito and now a p4pder? I know vic dominated mijares but IMO if nonito and vic fought again. vic wouldn't win a single round again and would get knocked out again. I think both Nonito and Montiel are above vic. As good as we think Mijares is, we still gotta consider how good Nonito and MOntiel is too. If Mijares was clearly the superior fighter over Nonito and MOntiel then yea I may agree with you. Mijares is not though and has not proven much except his win over arce who I think is as overrated as vic is. IMO the nonito montiel showdown is the biggest match below 130 since rafa izzy 3.

See above...
If you honestly feel Mijares was being overrated then by any means feel that way. But I can tell you he's not.
Every dog has it's day and that's how I see that fight.
The same way Vic was sparked out, now Mijares was.
Then one day someone will come along and beat Nonito.
Mijares had a shitty day but hey at least it came to the hands of someone like Vic who seems to be wrecking havoc as of late.
He's beat Gorres (in my book), Kirilov & Mijares.
Nonito might be better then Vic & Mijares and who knows even better then Montiel.
My point is Mijares was P4P top 10 when he was beat by Vic.
When Nonito beat Vic, Vic was no where near P4P.

When compiling the list I looked at Nonitos resume and his inactivity plus opposition hurt him compared to the rest. I just didn't look at skills.

If I put Nonito above Vic, then that would mean I'd have to list Ricardo Cordoba who holds a win over Caballero and is now a title holder. But again I can't cause the win over Caballero came yrs. ago before Caballero was rated this high.