Thread: Margaritos Camp Offers An Explanation

this is bad, i hope tony is innecent.

Originally Posted by killersheep

Where is the WBA in all this? This was a WBA title fight correct, shouldn't they shoulder some responsibility in checking equipment prior to the fight?
Shouldn't this be part of the sanctioning bodies tasks?

Maybe I'm out of line here, but my interpretation of "sanctioning" is saying this is a legal title fight.

The state has to sanction the bout as well,its not just up to the WBA. So if the state athletic commission doesnt like it,you cease to have a fight.

That explanation sounds like a steaming pile of shit, although I'm hoping this ain't true, partly because of the respect I have for Margarito even if I ain't particularly a fan of his, and secondly because boxing really doesn't need this right now

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Killface

Originally Posted by RP33

I know that there is room for human error in anything, but it's not like they ONLY checked his gloves for THIS fight.

Are we assuming that every time before this fight the inspection of gloves was ill-executed? As far as i know, wraps and gloves are checked in the dressing room by whichever commision, and they watch the trainer wrap the boxers hands.

This brings up a few aspects:

A.) That Tony ONLY did this for this fight, considering the same inspection/monitoring of wrapping his hands has been provided in all of his fights.

B.) That Tony has consistently done this and that the people in charge of monitoring the wrapping of boxers gloves do not do a great job, and have missed it in his previous fights.

If this same process is practiced in every fight, then I do not see how you can count Tony at fault for his previous fights.

To be honest i'm not defending him, i'm just trying to look at this situation as neutral as possible.

There are issues like this in many sports. Steroids in baseball.. Loaded bats in baseball.. Goalie's having pads that exceed the maximum size in hockey..

Granted these are not as dangerous as loaded gloves, they are still the rules of their respective leagues, and it is up to the league to catch the cheaters.

But who would be the 'league' in this case? The commission? So Margarito gets suspended, there's nothing to stop him from going over to New Jersey or New York for his next bout.

Yes there is,commissions respect other commissions suspensions.
If this turns out to be true,he's more or less blackballed in the states, at the very least until his California liscence expires, and probably longer.

Yeah, remember when Holyfield got suspended in New York after the Bryd Fight, He could not fight anywhere in the US until the NY suspension was lifted. Although Tony could always go and fight in mexico.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

That explanation sounds like a steaming pile of shit, although I'm hoping this ain't true, partly because of the respect I have for Margarito even if I ain't particularly a fan of his, and secondly because boxing really doesn't need this right now

Dont get me wrong,I like Margarito,but if this is the best explanation his camp can offer..............
Somebody is getting suspended
I hope this turns out to be nothing for his sake,because if it turns out to be for real,he is in deep trouble.

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by killersheep

Where is the WBA in all this? This was a WBA title fight correct, shouldn't they shoulder some responsibility in checking equipment prior to the fight?
Shouldn't this be part of the sanctioning bodies tasks?

Maybe I'm out of line here, but my interpretation of "sanctioning" is saying this is a legal title fight.

The state has to sanction the bout as well,its not just up to the WBA. So if the state athletic commission doesnt like it,you cease to have a fight.

Fine, why weren't either the California State Athletic Commision OR the WBA involved, between the money in sanctioning fees these two organizations get SOME of it should surely go to making sure the equipment is up to code.

Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Killface

But who would be the 'league' in this case? The commission? So Margarito gets suspended, there's nothing to stop him from going over to New Jersey or New York for his next bout.

Yes there is,commissions respect other commissions suspensions.
If this turns out to be true,he's more or less blackballed in the states, at the very least until his California liscence expires, and probably longer.

Yeah, remember when Holyfield got suspended in New York after the Bryd Fight, He could not fight anywhere in the US until the NY suspension was lifted. Although Tony could always go and fight in mexico.

Same thing with Mesi,he had to wait until his Nevada license expired before he could apply in another state. Nobody in any state commission is going to to piss all over another states decision on a suspension,its just not done.

Well what pisses me off is how they never caught it before and also i no nothin about what they are saying can that happen to the gloves.

I hope it isnt true, loading up your glove is a serious crime. I'd hate for tony to do jail time, he just doesn't seem to be that type of guy. I really believe he had no idea if his gloves were loaded. As much as I loved how shane won, I think they totally fucked up tony's concentration with this bullshit. Im not making excuses for tony but anybody who is getting ready to go into a fight after a long long preperation and training period, would have flash backs of his accomplishment and worry he would be accuse of something very serious.

Another person im worried about is cotto, heres a young undefeated guy who has all the potential to be one of the greatest. Yet he loses to tony who is currently under investigation. I have questions like, what if cotto will never be the same fighter after that devestating defeat to tony and he lost because tonys gloves were loaded. it would be a real shame, that is why i can not get mad at guys like danny g.

I just hope this turns out to be nothing and cottos lost to tony is legit, and they both carry on their careers.

I dont like it.Lets be very clear,nothing is conclusive and finalized regarding this weekend.I can not and will not speculate and cast out a mans career and charectar on speculation and inconclusive circumstances.From what Ive seen live and on video post Cotto in the ring,there was a man with zero to hide,oblivious to wrong doing and flaunting his wraps all over for all to see.There are MANY people that have questions to answer,A fighter stands alone in the ring...but before and after they rely on Commissions,Santioning bodies,the State officials and his handlers to take care of surrounding aspects and enforcing the rules.Tony will and has taken the hit alone though.Frankly,my mind is pretty fukked up right now.

The people have to understand when boxers going to fight should use a new dry Hand-Wraps for boxing , not that humid Hand-Wraps or gauze with sustance for feel more harder their fist ,that was that created the big issue , i hope all this thing is not true , this will affect all Margaros career ....................Is sad to see all of this issue

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Really RP?
There were rumors floating for years that Craig Nettles was corking his bat,it took the thing exploding for him to finally get caught.
Gaylord Perry is in the Hall Of Fame, and he bluntly said his best pitch was a spitball
Both of those are illegal,though I will say,I have no idea why they are.
The rules call for a wooden bat and your own physical skills.So who cares if the bats hollow,or one of your physical skills is to hock a luger on cue?
Never really understood those two rules. I can see bringing in a foriegn object to scuff the ball,or loading your bat with lead shot to get more oomph behind it.

You can't compare modern day sports to the past, there is just too much differential over the last 30 years.. Nowadays, anytime a manager walks out of the dugout and has a good enough reason to check a bat for excessive pine tar or corking, chances are that it will be done..

With instant replay and the technology we have today, spitballs would easily be detected.. It's basically anything to change the appearance of the ball, and with cameras today, you can stop a hummingbirds wings, so you can easily stop a pitch while it's on it's way to the plate.

I just used those as an example, and i'll say it AGAIN.. These incidents do not effect someones life in the way that loaded gloves would. I find it VERY hard to believe that ANYONE would be apprehensive to question someones wrappings before putting gloves on.. This is the persons job to make sure the wrappings are safe and legal..

Originally Posted by Killface

But who would be the 'league' in this case? The commission? So Margarito gets suspended, there's nothing to stop him from going over to New Jersey or New York for his next bout.

Whoever is inspecting his wrapping is the league. If that's the commision, then yes..

If he got caught in New Jersey for attempting to load his gloves, and it was publicized, like this incident has, do you think that if he's fighting in New York that they wouldn't pay close attention to this?

We're getting off track here.. my point was simply that it is someones job, and responsibility to make it a fair fight. This includes monitoring the wrapping of his gloves. If he loads his gloves, and they do not see it, then they're failing to do their job. They should be held responsible for it.

Cmon,everybody secretly knows Bonds was juicing on HGH,just without proof,what can you do.
And if you broke in to his house screaming "AHA,IVE GOT YOU NOW" and there was no got to get,youd look pretty bad

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by killersheep

Where is the WBA in all this? This was a WBA title fight correct, shouldn't they shoulder some responsibility in checking equipment prior to the fight?
Shouldn't this be part of the sanctioning bodies tasks?

Maybe I'm out of line here, but my interpretation of "sanctioning" is saying this is a legal title fight.

The state has to sanction the bout as well,its not just up to the WBA. So if the state athletic commission doesnt like it,you cease to have a fight.

Fine, why weren't either the California State Athletic Commision OR the WBA involved, between the money in sanctioning fees these two organizations get SOME of it should surely go to making sure the equipment is up to code.

My bet is somebody in Mosely's camp knew he was juicing his wraps.They dont check wraps that heavily normally. The guys both train within miles of each other,so its not beyond the pale that someone who was in Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's.
My bet is somebody quietly said,"You wanna check his wraps". And Id think the quiet voice had to be pretty sure,before he wanted a double check.
I still hope this all turns out to be BS,because Margarito is a fun fighter to watch. But hearing that explanation makes me seriously consider that it isnt.

this truly saddens me, a mexican is guilty before proven innocent? its a shame how we are treated.

Margarito is innocent.

please guys lets not focus on this because we already have it rough in america, lets just ignore this BS even if margarito was found with a plaster just who cares? im sick of mexicans always being under scrutiny.

why is it ok for mosley to cheat with roids and people let him slide after he admitted to injecting himself?
how come no one talk about pacquiao admitting to cheating and lying about his age? pacman said he put steel in his pants to make weight and even dishonestly lied he was 16 years old and said he was 18, why is it ok for that?