Thread: Vic Darchinyan v. Fernando Montiel and other Raging Bull Praise

Vic holds 3/4 belts at 115 pounds. Assuming Montiel beats Morel, who do you think wins in a fight between Vic and Montiel? Can Vic beclome unified flyweight champion? Does Vic break the top ten p4p with his win over Arce? Will a win over Montiel mean a top ten p4p? Can anyone at 115 beat Vic?

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I've only seen two Montiel fights but I don't think he's any better than Mijares. Maybe he hits a bit harder but I don't see him beating Vic. The thing is with Vic, he may be in against much more skilled boxers but after a couple of rounds of being hit with that big left they're not the same anymore. He negates their skills with his relentless power. I want to see a Donaire rematch rather than Montiel anyway.

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montiel will get stomped, i don't see it going any other way. I don't know what this little guy is eating but it's working. Darchinyan loosing might have been a bad thing for the other little guys in his division. I think he's learned a lot.

By the way, did you see Chad Dawson at the fight?

I think Donaire still kicks his ass, hes so open to being hit

I've always been high on Montiel. I've considerd him to be the best of all the Flyweights (Super and Junior included). He came in as a boxer/mover. But has recently turned into a seek and destroy fighter. And has been impressive. His destruction of Luis Maldonado was done and quicker and more brutal than either Donaire or Darchinyan were. Montiel has all the tools and skill to beat Darchinyan. And I think he will. But it won't be easy. Montiel new style opens him up to more puinishment. And that's not good against someone like Vic. But Montiel has shown the ablity to get hurt and come back. Darchinyan hasn't yet. To me his chin is still weak. And Montiel has shown he has good power. I list Monteil at 10 in the p4p list. With Darchinyan just outside it. The winner I think moves into the top 5.

Originally Posted by Mar

montiel will get stomped, i don't see it going any other way. I don't know what this little guy is eating but it's working. Darchinyan loosing might have been a bad thing for the other little guys in his division. I think he's learned a lot.

I agree, Vic has learned a lot since losing and apart from a few moments where his crab like style returned against Arce he has been totally dominant in his last 3 fights against top opposition.
Montiel will not beat him, he will not withstand the onslaught from Vic who has to be the hardest puncher out there in this division.
Bring on a Donaire rematch as well, remember 2 judges had that fight even up until the KO and Donaire won with a one punch knockout. I would like to see if he can do it again. 2009 is Vic's year, he is 33 and he will want Montiel, Donaire and a possible Bantam title by this time next year. It's rare that the little guys go beyond age 34 and keep on winning title matches so time is running out for Vic. Stay well clear of the Super Bantams as Juanma, Marquez or Vasquez would take him out.

No matter what you think of him and his antics....Vic is a brutal force and a pretty sharp counter puncher with heavy hands,Has rebounded in a big way from face first KO to Donaire and merits boo-koo respect and has earned it,just that simple.I picked Mijares to outbox him....whoops .Thought Arce would hang with him but Vic would be to strong,so ok.I think his key with Montiel will be those hell bent uppercuts underneath on Montiel and must tighten up his defence.

I think VD nailed it on Montiels transformation from boxer type to more assertive boxer/puncher who takes a few.He has recouprative powers big time and can turn it back on a guy with a vengence (See FOTY candidate with Melendez).I think Montiel brings the best of both worlds against Vic.Still can display fast combination punching mixed well to head and body as well as quick footwork,stance shifts and angles.With a piss and vinager mentality to boot,willing and very able to bring some power,ecspecially to body and a left hook that will be key.I think Vic is suseptible to Left hooks in a bad way,stunned a couples of times by looping lefts from Arce.I see Montiel landing as such and he can be a very damaging finisher with fast combos.I think he keeps it diciplined and counters the counter puncher,If he hurts Vic,I think he finishes him.Not easy and a superb fight,very fan friendly scrap.

Originally Posted by Mar

montiel will get stomped, i don't see it going any other way. I don't know what this little guy is eating but it's working. Darchinyan loosing might have been a bad thing for the other little guys in his division. I think he's learned a lot.

me too. Im not a big fan of Vic but he has been good to watch lately i will definatly keep on watching him along with the other smaller guys.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I've always been high on Montiel. I've considerd him to be the best of all the Flyweights (Super and Junior included). He came in as a boxer/mover. But has recently turned into a seek and destroy fighter. And has been impressive. His destruction of Luis Maldonado was done and quicker and more brutal than either Donaire or Darchinyan were. Montiel has all the tools and skill to beat Darchinyan. And I think he will. But it won't be easy. Montiel new style opens him up to more puinishment. And that's not good against someone like Vic. But Montiel has shown the ablity to get hurt and come back. Darchinyan hasn't yet. To me his chin is still weak. And Montiel has shown he has good power. I list Monteil at 10 in the p4p list. With Darchinyan just outside it. The winner I think moves into the top 5.

You really don't like giving Vic props huh? I remember you picked Mijares and Arce to beat him yet Vic dominated them. Even if you don't like Vic, you have to give him credit for his work this last year. Not many fighters challenge the top of the division and beat them in the same year. Moreover, he is one belt away from unifying his division.

That said, I agree that there are question marks surrounding Vic's chin. I even thought Arce stung him a bit. The thing is Vic's style makes him difficult to hit, and if Montiel can't touch his chin, he can't test it.

Another criticism of Vic is that he needs to learn to mix in some combination punching. He seems to load up on that left with the effect being it is telegraphed.

I'd def. favor "KO-Chulito" in this one.

I think he's superior then Vic and I think he's the better boxer.

Would Vic beat Montiel or visa versa that person should def. be top 6 P4P.

I read that Montiel was struggling to make 115 and was definitely going up to 118, which would kill a unification bout. If the match happened, I think Vic's pressure would be too much for Montiel. I'd rather see Vic vs. King Kong Agbeko at 118. That would be a barn burner.

My Darchi fight picks:

- Darchi vs. Donaire - i picked Donaire

- Mijares vs. Darchi - i picked Darchi

- Darchi vs. Arce - i picked Arce


If Montiel vs. Darchi happens, I pick Montiel to win...

If Donaire vs. Darchi rematch happens, I still pick Donaire to win again...

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

I've always been high on Montiel. I've considerd him to be the best of all the Flyweights (Super and Junior included). He came in as a boxer/mover. But has recently turned into a seek and destroy fighter. And has been impressive. His destruction of Luis Maldonado was done and quicker and more brutal than either Donaire or Darchinyan were. Montiel has all the tools and skill to beat Darchinyan. And I think he will. But it won't be easy. Montiel new style opens him up to more puinishment. And that's not good against someone like Vic. But Montiel has shown the ablity to get hurt and come back. Darchinyan hasn't yet. To me his chin is still weak. And Montiel has shown he has good power. I list Monteil at 10 in the p4p list. With Darchinyan just outside it. The winner I think moves into the top 5.

You really don't like giving Vic props huh? I remember you picked Mijares and Arce to beat him yet Vic dominated them. Even if you don't like Vic, you have to give him credit for his work this last year. Not many fighters challenge the top of the division and beat them in the same year. Moreover, he is one belt away from unifying his division.

That said, I agree that there are question marks surrounding Vic's chin. I even thought Arce stung him a bit. The thing is Vic's style makes him difficult to hit, and if Montiel can't touch his chin, he can't test it.

Another criticism of Vic is that he needs to learn to mix in some combination punching. He seems to load up on that left with the effect being it is telegraphed.

I gave Vic his credit. You must of missed it. I've always considered Montiel to be better than Darchinyan, Arce, Donaire and Mijares. I still feel the same way.