Thread: after watching more of Marquez and Mayweather.

I am starting to re believe that Mayweather will win this pretty one sidedly. I know what I wrote before, but Mayweather has been fighting bigger guys lately and thats likely the main reason he has become so defensive minded, pulling up his stuff from when he was at 130,135,140. He has too much speed(at that time he was significantly faster than Pacquiao) too much accuracy, and he's still so hard to hit. Though Manny has made great strides towards becoming more of a complete fighter, he is still sort of like a train, he doesn't get off as a quick as he throws combinations. Whereas Mayweather is the opposite, against Manny he can catch him off guard if you beat him to the punch, but against Mayweather he will likely still be able to land before you even if he starts his punch after you do, and in all likely hood get out of the way or roll most of the damage off the punch being thrown.

But it wasn't so much from watching Mayweather, but Marquez that makes me feel Mayweather will be too much, watching Marquez against Chris John, Barrera, Casamayor makes me feel that Marquez is 1) isn't as effective against conventionally trained fighters as he is against Manny if you compare the natural skill level of Manny and Casamayor for example. 2) Marquez was being hit by guys who threw punches conventionally who were way slower than MAyweather, IMO Mayweather will be able to land at will, and likely be too far away by the time Marquez tries to counter.

The differences between Mayweather and Manny
1) Mayweather is always in balance when fighting orthodox fighters. This means no catching him out of position like Marquez did. This means he can get in and out quicker than Manny can because he won't have to regain his balance.
2) Mayweather will have a jab that can land quicker than Manny get land that left cross off, as quick as he does it, but once again a jab like Floyd's doesn't leave you open, and he is also so good at changing into a lead hook. This along with his height and freakishly long arms makes it hard for Marquez to find a rhythm because Mayweather throws a stiff, solid jab.
3) Counter punching: Mayweather is in a different league than Manny in this regard, if he is as sharp as he was before his retirement(he has been training since december) he will be hitting Marquez in situations nobody else has been able to, and Mayweather always finds a way to escape unscathed when he is countering punching. This has dispirited everyone he has ever foughten, including guys like Baldomir who walked through the harder punching Judah and Vernon Forest's punches because he was able to land, within 4 roudns with Mayweather he was totally discouraged until Mayweather hurt his right hand and wasn't able to throw with any conviction.
4) Defense: Mayweather is so hard to hit, I am not sure if this will discourage Marquez, but he won't be able to 1 punch Mayweather, and he won't be landing like he has with anyone else. The one certainty is that you won't land consistently on Mayweather all night. Even Judah who was countering well early wasn't able to land very much once Mayweather made his adjustments, but Judah has speed and timing that nobody Mayweather will ever encounter will possess(unless he fights Berto).
5) Size: not that Mayweather will use his size on Marquez, but that Marquez's size won't intimidate Mayweather from fighting how he is suppose to fight like he used to at 140 and below. You won't see Floyd fighting out of a shell uber defensively, you will see a closer version to the guy who fought G. Hernandez, Sosa, Corrales, etc. He won't be scared to throw punches, to mix it up, and he will really be able to let his speed loose in ways he hasn't for the last few years at 147 and above against a lot bigger guys who he tried to avoid trading with at all costs.

Anyways All in all I am starting to see that Mayweather has too many advantages for this to be a close fight.

I would like some feedback, I want to see what some of the Marquez fans think about this and what advantages they feel MArquez will have, I promise I won't be condescending. THis is an interesting matchup, and maybe the first time we will see Mayweather in a really boxing match of minds where its fought in the middle of the ring with a guy who is fast, talented, dangerous, and as close in skill as anyone in the sport to Mayweather.

Originally Posted by Taeth

I would like some feedback, I want to see what some of the Marquez fans think about this and what advantages they feel MArquez will have, I promise I won't be condescending. THis is an interesting matchup, and maybe the first time we will see Mayweather in a really boxing match of minds where its fought in the middle of the ring with a guy who is fast, talented, dangerous, and as close in skill as anyone in the sport to Mayweather.

This fight can be boring mainly because of PBF's style of figthing.

Originally Posted by happytrip

Originally Posted by Taeth

I would like some feedback, I want to see what some of the Marquez fans think about this and what advantages they feel MArquez will have, I promise I won't be condescending. THis is an interesting matchup, and maybe the first time we will see Mayweather in a really boxing match of minds where its fought in the middle of the ring with a guy who is fast, talented, dangerous, and as close in skill as anyone in the sport to Mayweather.

This fight can be boring mainly because of PBF's style of figthing.

It could be, but I see it being an exciting fight if Mayweather is willing to box like he used to.

It's not a fair fight, I said that from the start, Floyd is too big, too fast and too strong, not to mention a better boxer and I think it will be as one sided as you.

Here's an overly simple way to look at it:

Marquez just had a life-and-death fight with Juan Diaz. And I think we'd all agree that there's a significant gap between a 135-pound Juan Diaz and a ~144-pound Floyd Mayweather.

The agressor in this fight might likewise be the winner... therefore a draw is not too far fetched!

This is going to be no doubt a hard fight for Marquez, he is going to have to go all out and give his best performance yet if he wants to put up a fight.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Here's an overly simple way to look at it:

Marquez just had a life-and-death fight with Juan Diaz. And I think we'd all agree that there's a significant gap between a 135-pound Juan Diaz and a ~144-pound Floyd Mayweather.

While I agree 100% on your view (and who wouldn't)

It can easily be countered with styles.

There is a significant gap between the style that Diaz brings and the style that PBF brings.
Unless you expect PBF to come out like Diaz.

I don't know why everyone is so down on this match, I think it's a great one. Let's face it Floyd could have come back & made money off us fighting some standard tune-up material like Said Ouali before fighting Pacquiao, instead he's coming back & fighting a guy who many consider the best fighter in the sport, and who has proven the doubters wrong time & time again. There is also a great level of respect between them going by the press conference. Yes, he could have fought a welterweight, but Marquez wanted the fight, so would you rather see them go at it or Floyd against a 2nd rate welter? I also don't think Marquez is out of it, the guy has never had a definitive loss throughout his career & I think almost has nothing to lose against Floyd unless he gets blown out in a round which won't happen.

As a good of a fighter that Marquez is, I don't think that he'll pose any problems for Floyd's style. Even when Floyd is in range, he's great at reducing surface area for his opponents to hit, or he'll block or avoid the punch altogether. IMO, controlling distance is where he excels the most, he'll circle and stay just out of range, and potshot the hell out of his opponents until something better comes up.

Originally Posted by KananKrus

The aggressor in this fight might likewise be the winner... therefore a draw is not too far fetched!

Catch Weight (weight-in 144)

Time of fight:
Marquez works hard n the Gym? 140ish
Mayweather 152-154

Marquez gets hit by a guy ~14 lbs weighing more than him.... do the math!

I see Mayweather a big favourite in this fight, for the same simple reason sweetpea gave that he's struggled with lesser boxers that were considerably smaller. Just cos Pac carried his speed and power up the divisions doesn't mean everyone can.

IMO it's also cynical matchmaking. People were screaming blue murder when Oscar signed to fight a feather who recently moved to light at Welter, yet Floyd does exactly the same thing. Yes Pac dealt with him, but it's been pretty much universally accepted that the no.1 reason for the victory was due to him being totally washed up at 147. He also said in the interview that his targets after JMM were again the smaller Pac (of course prior to his devastating win on Sat night) and even Oscar cos they make money together (I'll admit that may have been tongue in cheek as he's playing the bad guy again.).

Originally Posted by Kel

It's not a fair fight, I said that from the start, Floyd is too big, too fast and too strong, not to mention a better boxer and I think it will be as one sided as you.

Tune-up fights aren't supposed to be a fair fight... I consider this one as a tune-up fight for PBF and he's a heavy favorite (4 to 1) to win this one... PBF is expected to defeat JMM...
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Originally Posted by Bomp

I see Mayweather a big favourite in this fight, for the same simple reason sweetpea gave that he's struggled with lesser boxers that were considerably smaller. Just cos Pac carried his speed and power up the divisions doesn't mean everyone can.

IMO it's also cynical matchmaking. People were screaming blue murder when Oscar signed to fight a feather who recently moved to light at Welter, yet Floyd does exactly the same thing. Yes Pac dealt with him, but it's been pretty much universally accepted that the no.1 reason for the victory was due to him being totally washed up at 147. He also said in the interview that his targets after JMM were again the smaller Pac (of course prior to his devastating win on Sat night) and even Oscar cos they make money together (I'll admit that may have been tongue in cheek as he's playing the bad guy again.).

Most of that stuff he said was tongue in cheek, when asked seriously afterwards, he said the only fighter he was focused on was JMM because he thinks that bar himself he is the best fighter in the world. The fact is it was Marquez who called for the fight & he got it. The Mosley fight is not actually out of the question, but both are probably waiting on Pacquiao first