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    Default Boxing from the outside as well as inside

    Over the past as a member I've offered my help on nutrition, supplementation, bodybuilding etc, ok now its time a get a bit of help on boxing. I haven't posted on here in a while since ive started boxing around March of this year consistently until now.

    I've sparred a total of roughly 7-8 times, and I die from exhaustion by the beginning-middle of the 2nd round, then i call it quits.

    It's really pissing me off, I read Championship boxing by jack dempsey, its only helped my falling step with my lead jab. My jab is probably one of the best in the gym thats including all the experienced fighters.

    Ok, so thats enough of my life story, here comes the issue.

    Im 188cm, my reach is roughly 198cm, im 84kg, so ive got a bit of size on me and my reach and height is an advantage in any division. My problem is I can bob and weave really easy better than anyone with my physique, but my mistake is i bob n weave under jabs and hooks rather than just bobbin n weaving under a hook like a normal person, i can evade any lead jab when i bob and weave against novice fighters, but then i was told when it comes to a person with a bit of brain he'll be able to pick up on it and then counter it with an uppercut when im in the middle of his defence (inside).

    My trainer told me to just slip the jab, and i fucking slipped his lead jab and then followed it with a right uppercut, its a fucking piece of shit move, because i feel weak when i miss the uppercut. Then when i threw that uppercut and it slightly connected, the guy fighting me starts flushing me with his reign of blows, hooks, straight rights, etc, and then i get a bloody nose from a straight right to the face cause my arms were so tired that they were to slow to come back to my guarding position when i tried to push him off with a jab.

    I need some help, im pissed, i dont want to give up on boxing, i want to turn amatuer, win a state title, and eventually earn the golden gloves. These are high hopes but I'm only getting worried because people around me are excelling and im either plateauing or deteriorating.

    I need good advice, i always took this sport seriously, but now that im getting pushed back my will and drive is gradually dying out. Please to the guys that have just started boxing, dont give me bullshit responses, because its easy to give advice, but its very hard to give good advice, I'm not tryin to sound ungrateful or rude, but i dont want my time to be wasted, ive always given proper on the point advice about nutrition and bodybuilding when anyone asked, i hope i can get the same in regards to boxing in return.

    Thank you

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    I'm not being funny..but it just sounds as though your're not fit and you think your're better than you actually are!

    Being good against novices means nothing really...you just need to train harder with stamina top of the list if you cannot complete 2 rounds!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofo2 View Post
    I'm not being funny..but it just sounds as though your're not fit and you think your're better than you actually are!

    Being good against novices means nothing really...you just need to train harder with stamina top of the list if you cannot complete 2 rounds!!
    Na don't get me wrong, I am honestly not arrogant, i still know im not a good fighter even in the amatuer division, i haven't got a big head or anything, but even the head trainer as well as all the other competition fighters tell me ive got good head movement and jabs, but thats it, nothing more.

    And yes you are definately right about fitness, my fitness is just above a beginner at most, i can still keep up with the guys on the 4-5km run, and i can keep up on the bag for drills etc, but aneorbic training is only a supplement when it comes to boxing, ring experience is so much different, when i explode in sprinting, it feels good, but in the ring im using my legs, my arms, my core, and last but not least my brain. In the ring i get so exhausted, because it isnt gettin from point A to point B, theres a million other points in between and if i fuk up, i'll pay the price, u know what im tryin to get at?

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    It makes more sense to jab.. back off...and then use basic combinations as a counter!

    Try and conserve energy early on,because if you are over eager and throwing everything but the kitchen sink your're gonna burn out reasonably quickly!!

    Most of all though relax and keep your're hands high..its a a spar not a fight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofo2 View Post
    I'm not being funny..but it just sounds as though your're not fit and you think your're better than you actually are!

    you just need to train harder with stamina top of the list if you cannot complete 2 rounds!!
    Not necessarily, if your not accustomed to sparring you can have the fitness of a top intercollegiate athlete and still get winded. One of the problems for someone who's starting out is conserving energy, in particular how to pace themselves, and how to control the pace of the fight.

    In the beginning the action can get so frenetic, that it's hard to concentrate on anything, let alone pace. As a novice fighter progresses, he'll get used to having an opponent in front of him without coming into the ring with a do-or-die mentality. He'll learn how to defend against his opponents leads and pick his shots instead of getting worked up over his opponent.

    Controlling the pace is important even in sparring. If you can control the pace of the action, you can have the lungs of a smoker and still do alright. Guys like Carlos Monzon, Nicolino Locche and Joey Giardello who smoked like factory chimneys proves this point. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing the need for conditioning, I'm just saying there's more to boxing than that. One of the things about controlling pace is maintaining distance, since if you can maintain a certain distance to your opponent, you can greatly reduce their punch output. The main way of maintaining distance is circling. (See http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-circling.html and http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...u-get-hit.html) By the way, in that thread Thomas gives you a good right uppercut counter.

    Now while you're circling, if your opponent wants to rush things as he's probably desperate to close the distance, you should walk him into counter punches. One good counter punch have in particular is a good nose-flattening jab. You don't necessarily have to step into your jab like it says in Dempsey's book to make it hard. Just a forceful yet subtle snap of the hip, and putting your shoulder into the punch (For details, read http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor....html#post3459). A hard jab will keep your opponent honest, preventing them from getting confident about getting in close. Mix it with your quick flicking jabs, and then he'll likely treat all of your jabs with respect.

    Counter punching often depends upon your foresight and getting your opponent to commit to a particular punch. In regards to landing an uppercut off of a slipping their jab, here's a few things that I'd look for. Be aware of their rhythm, and anything that tips off their jab. The telegraphs could be them dropping their glove from the ear muff position, putting weight on their front leg, which could also be a slight lean forward. If you've been maintaining the distance so that they must lunge in order to hit you, it should then be easy to see it coming. Now it should be easier to land the right uppercut because he's moving into it, and if he's leaning forward then it's even better. If you're not yet comfortable with fighting on the inside, you should then get out of there quickly as well stepping off to the side stepping off to the side as to avoid a young Tysonesque haymaker.

    Now if you start to get comfortable on the inside, you can transition into combination punches, perhaps following your uppercut with a left hook to the body/head, or shot hard punches (e.g. see Joe Louis, Rubin Carter, or Mike Tyson). At first it'll be mostly blocking their punches, and keeping your guard up. Changing levels or ducking by bending your knees, and being able to stop your opponent's punches when they start (i.e. pressing a glove against an opponent's bicep/shoulder to prevent a punch, or pinning their arm to body are some more advanced things that you can work on later on.

    One move that I like to do when I have my opponent shelled up behind their ear-muffs is a short step to the right and ramming a left uppercut right up and between their guard. It's a good surprise shot, and this can help open them up for a combination. I guess that alternatively you could take a step to the left and throw a right uppercut the same way, I'd have to try that.

    If your training ever gets boring, don't be afraid to change your routine the same way that you'd change your weight training routine. Also you want your sessions to be engaging just like if you were taking a course in motorcycle mechanics. You'd want to learn how everything works, and with boxing it's a constant learning curve as you can always fine tune your technique and train your boxing brain. Don't be afraid to do your homework, practice certain defensive responses while you're shadow boxing, or watching fights. So that way when you get back to the gym, you're eager to perform. Also I recommend getting your boxing gear and everything else ready the night before so there's no hesitation to go to the gym.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Nagel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mofo2 View Post
    I'm not being funny..but it just sounds as though your're not fit and you think your're better than you actually are!

    you just need to train harder with stamina top of the list if you cannot complete 2 rounds!!
    Not necessarily, if your not accustomed to sparring you can have the fitness of a top intercollegiate athlete and still get winded. One of the problems for someone who's starting out is conserving energy, in particular how to pace themselves, and how to control the pace of the fight.

    In the beginning the action can get so frenetic, that it's hard to concentrate on anything, let alone pace. As a novice fighter progresses, he'll get used to having an opponent in front of him without coming into the ring with a do-or-die mentality. He'll learn how to defend against his opponents leads and pick his shots instead of getting worked up over his opponent.

    Controlling the pace is important even in sparring. If you can control the pace of the action, you can have the lungs of a smoker and still do alright. Guys like Carlos Monzon, Nicolino Locche and Joey Giardello who smoked like factory chimneys proves this point. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing the need for conditioning, I'm just saying there's more to boxing than that. One of the things about controlling pace is maintaining distance, since if you can maintain a certain distance to your opponent, you can greatly reduce their punch output. The main way of maintaining distance is circling. (See http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-circling.html and http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...u-get-hit.html) By the way, in that thread Thomas gives you a good right uppercut counter.

    Now while you're circling, if your opponent wants to rush things as he's probably desperate to close the distance, you should walk him into counter punches. One good counter punch have in particular is a good nose-flattening jab. You don't necessarily have to step into your jab like it says in Dempsey's book to make it hard. Just a forceful yet subtle snap of the hip, and putting your shoulder into the punch (For details, read http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor....html#post3459). A hard jab will keep your opponent honest, preventing them from getting confident about getting in close. Mix it with your quick flicking jabs, and then he'll likely treat all of your jabs with respect.

    Counter punching often depends upon your foresight and getting your opponent to commit to a particular punch. In regards to landing an uppercut off of a slipping their jab, here's a few things that I'd look for. Be aware of their rhythm, and anything that tips off their jab. The telegraphs could be them dropping their glove from the ear muff position, putting weight on their front leg, which could also be a slight lean forward. If you've been maintaining the distance so that they must lunge in order to hit you, it should then be easy to see it coming. Now it should be easier to land the right uppercut because he's moving into it, and if he's leaning forward then it's even better. If you're not yet comfortable with fighting on the inside, you should then get out of there quickly as well stepping off to the side stepping off to the side as to avoid a young Tysonesque haymaker.

    Now if you start to get comfortable on the inside, you can transition into combination punches, perhaps following your uppercut with a left hook to the body/head, or shot hard punches (e.g. see Joe Louis, Rubin Carter, or Mike Tyson). At first it'll be mostly blocking their punches, and keeping your guard up. Changing levels or ducking by bending your knees, and being able to stop your opponent's punches when they start (i.e. pressing a glove against an opponent's bicep/shoulder to prevent a punch, or pinning their arm to body are some more advanced things that you can work on later on.

    One move that I like to do when I have my opponent shelled up behind their ear-muffs is a short step to the right and ramming a left uppercut right up and between their guard. It's a good surprise shot, and this can help open them up for a combination. I guess that alternatively you could take a step to the left and throw a right uppercut the same way, I'd have to try that.

    If your training ever gets boring, don't be afraid to change your routine the same way that you'd change your weight training routine. Also you want your sessions to be engaging just like if you were taking a course in motorcycle mechanics. You'd want to learn how everything works, and with boxing it's a constant learning curve as you can always fine tune your technique and train your boxing brain. Don't be afraid to do your homework, practice certain defensive responses while you're shadow boxing, or watching fights. So that way when you get back to the gym, you're eager to perform. Also I recommend getting your boxing gear and everything else ready the night before so there's no hesitation to go to the gym.
    Sorry about the long delay chris, just been caught up with some work.

    I agree with your post, i realised my problem was not coming in close range as much, I've improved a lot recently on boxing on the outside, but i realised when they start timing my jab thats when i have to take a step in with a left hook followed by a straight right and a left uppercut/short jab.

    Yesterday i tried a new move that the trainer didnt expect LOL. My opponent threw a straight right at me, and i timed it, so i slipped to the left, and so my bodyweight was on the left leg, then i feinted the left hand and hit him with a right uppercut to the solar plexus, then followed it with a left hook and a straight right. LOL for the first time in my life i done a proper combo without being countered. I guess timing and being willing to take a hit is what helps a lot in order to get your chance at out-boxing your opponent in the ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofo2 View Post
    It makes more sense to jab.. back off...and then use basic combinations as a counter!

    Try and conserve energy early on,because if you are over eager and throwing everything but the kitchen sink your're gonna burn out reasonably quickly!!

    Most of all though relax and keep your're hands high..its a a spar not a fight!
    Definitely agree with that

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