Thread: Do we judge fighters too much by words ascribed to them rather than heard directly?

I feel this is the case a lot of times.

People will moan and criticise a fighter many times for things that person is reported to have said, rather than on what we have actually seen and heard him say.

With Amir, people will tell you how arrogant he is and yet nobody can produce a video to really show his arrogance is any different than any other fighter who believes in his ability.

Kelly Pavlik has had some stick on here of late for comments he is supposed to have made regarding the Super Six Tournament but have we actually heard him ourselves?

And it happens a lot with many fighters. Somebody produced an article or news report of what they have said or done, and then they get judged and criticised for it, but we never actually see the interview ourselves, or know the context.

Anyway from now on I'm going to try and judge a fighter soley on the comments I hear him make rather than comments that somebody says he made, or some article quotes him as saying.

I thought this was one of my more sensible postings.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought this was one of my more boring postings.

Its not that I totally disagree with you, the last line of the post just made me laugh, it seemed kind of boy scoutish, like you were some high school kid pledging to hold on to your virginity until you were married.

But really I don't see any reason to completely ignore boxing journalists. Its fairly rare that they just make up quotes for people I assume, I have no doubt that Kelly said what he said. Sometimes they can arrange quotes in a different manner to make it look different, and sometimes they "summarize" what the person said at the top of the article only when you actually read the quotes you find out they didn't quite mean what the author said they meant but they don't just make shit up. For the most part.

I don't see any problem with Amir. I think generally some people, not saying all but some, who might have already disliked him say he's arrogant as a justification of their dislike for him. Like me when I talk about Wlad being boring, etc.

another khan thread? There will be calls for his own sub-board at this rate.

We probably judge fighters too much regardless of whether it's suspect print or video. But you never know if what you see and hear on video is any truer than a supposed quote; some like to pop off all the time just to do it. Still I guess it's easier to judge when you do hear it from their own mouth, as if our judgement is going to make a dent somehow

TBH I'm about ready to stop listening to what fighters say in print or video period, as it is just distracting anyways and a waste of time getting rubbed the wrong way by someone I don't even know.

Yes, 90% of what we hear from fighters is written for them by their promotions firm.

The thing with Khan is, while he's obviously able to fight a bit he has a china chin. Not a suspect chin, an already proven guilty china one. So there's plenty of reason for people to dislike him when he says what his commercial people will give him the biggest possible commercial advantage.

But that doesn't explain the hate for Khan before he got found guilty in a 54 second trial. And not all of that hate can be put down to racism. For instance, I really liked Naz when he first started. All that mouth from a tiny guy who looked like a suntanned Charles Hawtrey. But at some point, maybe it was when he lost the side parting and there was no Charles hawtrey resemblance, I stopped liking him and wanted him to get his arse kicked. When he went to America I couldn't wait for him to lose. I went to the Kelley fight to see it happen and after a promising start he eventually ended up disappointing me, but eventually I got the result I wanted. Why Khan is hated, it's a bunch of reasons, a bunch of things that push certain buttons of people. But not all of those buttons are the ones you think.

Originally Posted by OumaFan

Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought this was one of my more boring postings.

Its not that I totally disagree with you, the last line of the post just made me laugh, it seemed kind of boy scoutish, like you were some high school kid pledging to hold on to your virginity until you were married.

But really I don't see any reason to completely ignore boxing journalists. Its fairly rare that they just make up quotes for people I assume, I have no doubt that Kelly said what he said. Sometimes they can arrange quotes in a different manner to make it look different, and sometimes they "summarize" what the person said at the top of the article only when you actually read the quotes you find out they didn't quite mean what the author said they meant but they don't just make shit up. For the most part.

I don't see any problem with Amir. I think generally some people, not saying all but some, who might have already disliked him say he's arrogant as a justification of their dislike for him. Like me when I talk about Wlad being boring, etc.

Kind of my thoughts too. Bilbo still riding on his self righteous, soapbox, holier than thou trip. He's just making sure when others criticise in the future he can say how wrong they are and make 10 threads about it.

I also pledge not to lower myself to the standards of those beneath me and will remain happy and chirpy at all times

I'm not even sure if that's the right smilie for the situation Its close enough.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

I feel this is the case a lot of times.

People will moan and criticise a fighter many times for things that person is reported to have said, rather than on what we have actually seen and heard him say.

With Amir, people will tell you how arrogant he is and yet nobody can produce a video to really show his arrogance is any different than any other fighter who believes in his ability.

Kelly Pavlik has had some stick on here of late for comments he is supposed to have made regarding the Super Six Tournament but have we actually heard him ourselves?

And it happens a lot with many fighters. Somebody produced an article or news report of what they have said or done, and then they get judged and criticised for it, but we never actually see the interview ourselves, or know the context.

Anyway from now on I'm going to try and judge a fighter soley on the comments I hear him make rather than comments that somebody says he made, or some article quotes him as saying.

I don't hate Amir Khan but when he said, he could beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. I thought that was absolute ridiculous, as was he comment about his 2 percent body-fat what a plum

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by Bilbo

I feel this is the case a lot of times.

People will moan and criticise a fighter many times for things that person is reported to have said, rather than on what we have actually seen and heard him say.

With Amir, people will tell you how arrogant he is and yet nobody can produce a video to really show his arrogance is any different than any other fighter who believes in his ability.

Kelly Pavlik has had some stick on here of late for comments he is supposed to have made regarding the Super Six Tournament but have we actually heard him ourselves?

And it happens a lot with many fighters. Somebody produced an article or news report of what they have said or done, and then they get judged and criticised for it, but we never actually see the interview ourselves, or know the context.

Anyway from now on I'm going to try and judge a fighter soley on the comments I hear him make rather than comments that somebody says he made, or some article quotes him as saying.

I don't hate Amir Khan but when he said, he could beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. I thought that was absolute ridiculous, as was he comment about his 2 percent body-fat what a plum

He never said he could beat Floyd Mayweather Ice, that's just yet another example of you not understanding word play.

He had just turned pro and they were asking him how he was taking to the pro game and he said his sparring was going so well he felt he could take on Floyd Mayweather in a four rounder.

It was clearly a playful, tongue in cheek remark, like somebody saying I could have beaten King Kong tonight, it doesn't literally mean someone thinks they could beat King Kong it's just an expression to say that they felt very very strong on that night.

Likewise with Khan, he was just saying he felt his sparring was going so great he could even give Floyd Mayweather a run over four rounds.

Sorry but only a complete imbecile would take that as a genuine statement that he was claiming he would beat Floyd Mayweather if they met at that time

On to the second point, him saying he had less than two percent bodyfight was quite endearing I thought, like wow this kid just takes at face value anything anybody tells him. I must admit I thought of you when he made that statement

Welcome to the world of 24-7 mass media and ravenous bloggers,posters and...cough spammers.It applies to nearly all stars of Hollywood,sports and basically anyone holding a minimal to high profile position with a following.Its up to us to read between the lines and sort it out for ourselves.Take it with a grain of salt and gather information from multiple sources...weeding out the drama and genuine crap.

You can ignore all printed media and what you do not hear for yourself but you'll be living in a echo chamber.Its the Harry greb mentality.Well we never saw footage of him in a fight....guess the historians,legions of reporters and past fans were all in on his assumed greatness......man did I actually just respond to this

I get more annoyed at people (Floyd fans for example) who use the same words FLOYD HIMSELF said in interviews, like it's fact and proper because he said it.

That gets right on my fucking nerves that does.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by Bilbo

I feel this is the case a lot of times.

People will moan and criticise a fighter many times for things that person is reported to have said, rather than on what we have actually seen and heard him say.

With Amir, people will tell you how arrogant he is and yet nobody can produce a video to really show his arrogance is any different than any other fighter who believes in his ability.

Kelly Pavlik has had some stick on here of late for comments he is supposed to have made regarding the Super Six Tournament but have we actually heard him ourselves?

And it happens a lot with many fighters. Somebody produced an article or news report of what they have said or done, and then they get judged and criticised for it, but we never actually see the interview ourselves, or know the context.

Anyway from now on I'm going to try and judge a fighter soley on the comments I hear him make rather than comments that somebody says he made, or some article quotes him as saying.

I don't hate Amir Khan but when he said, he could beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. I thought that was absolute ridiculous, as was he comment about his 2 percent body-fat what a plum

He never said he could beat Floyd Mayweather Ice, that's just yet another example of you not understanding word play.

He had just turned pro and they were asking him how he was taking to the pro game and he said his sparring was going so well he felt he could take on Floyd Mayweather in a four rounder.

It was clearly a playful, tongue in cheek remark, like somebody saying I could have beaten King Kong tonight, it doesn't literally mean someone thinks they could beat King Kong it's just an expression to say that they felt very very strong on that night.

Likewise with Khan, he was just saying he felt his sparring was going so great he could even give Floyd Mayweather a run over four rounds.

Sorry but only a complete imbecile would take that as a genuine statement that he was claiming he would beat Floyd Mayweather if they met at that time

On to the second point, him saying he had less than two percent bodyfight was quite endearing I thought, like wow this kid just takes at face value anything anybody tells him. I must admit I thought of you when he made that statement

I can't believe you just turned around, and actually hinted at me being an imbecile. Well to be honest Bilbo, you can stuff your Amir Khan delusional threads, all i did was repeat what Amir Khan said himself. And i remember pretty much everyone on this forum, agreeing that was total tosh aswell. So i guess that makes them complete imbeciles aswell

No need to throw around insults, or keep taking digs at me. Not understanding sarcasm, which is total BS because i always understand. Sarcasm with any of my friends or family. Maybe you just talk in so much riddles and you come out with so many bizarre statements, that i can never really tell with you, ever thought of that