Thread: Who can beat Paul Williams

at lmw.

A southpaw...

IMO are the ones who got the best chance.

Sergiy Dzinziruk or "Maravilla" Martinez.

Keep your eyes on Grzegorz Proksa kids got talent. I saw his debut fight on the undercard of JLC-Diaz fight then months later I saw from ringside his 2nd pro fight. He's moved along well thus far. Needs to work on a few things still but he's def. got talent. It's not like the LMW div. is deep right now...

I'd give Sergio Martinez a good shot at it. He's super accurate and has great foot movement.

yeah i was thinking sergio martinez as well. not keen on dzinziruk's chances though.

At LMW probably no one... at WW PBF and mosley...he might lose to pavilk at MW.

Thinking Sergio Martinez is shifty and capable enough,but might have to stand ground more than he likes.You can call me nutty but I think David Lopez coming down to 154 would have a decent shot.Both very smart boxers with good movement.

Id have to give Gavin Rees a good chance if he moved up to LMW. This guy is just phenomenal , he isn't a Warren media product like most of you think .

I think based on Williams' loss to Quintana, Sergio Martinez is very capable of beating PW.

Sergio Martinez v. Paul Williams would be a helluva fight but I doubt Pwill's handlers will let him fight Sergio. Too much risk and too little upside.

Dzinzurik is very capable and he had no qualms about coming to the states to fight Paul, but still I'd probably pick Pwill in that fight.

Mosley doesn't want anything to do with Pwill (as amazing as he looked against Margarito, don't forget how he fared against Forrest who had similar height and reach advantages that Pwill would have) and PBF isn't fighting anyone over 5'8.

At middlweight, Pavlik would give Pwill problems, but I'm not sure he has it in him to win. Would a win over Pwill be Pavlik's biggest win of his career?

BTW - Where is Sergio Martinez? Who is he fighting next? Has he been heard from since the draw with Cintron?

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

BTW - Where is Sergio Martinez? Who is he fighting next? Has he been heard from since the draw with Cintron?

He was in talks to face Christophe Canclaux in France. Sergio was waiting to see what happened with the Pavlik-Williams situation before signing the contract with Canclaux. He was willing to step in for Pavlik.

Martinez and Dzinziruk IMO have the best chance to beat Williams.

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Carlos Quintana. He beat him once and was having sucess in the 2nd till he got caught. Quintana didn't think Williams could hurt him. He knows that now. Provided he can avoid getting caught, I see no reason he can't beat him again

Originally Posted by themacmagician

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either

Originally Posted by jokaleras

yeah i was thinking sergio martinez as well. not keen on dzinziruk's chances though.

Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance

Originally Posted by Majesty

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by themacmagician

Although i'm not sure about him beating PWill, i'm certain that Jamie Moore would give all three of these guys a run for their money, although he'd probably never get the opportunity as he's not well known enough........ From what i've heard, if he beats Ryan Rhodes in his next fight then he becomes the mandatory for Martinez.

I seen Moore fight. He would struggle with Verno Phillips. I'm not convinced he could beat him either

Originally Posted by jokaleras

yeah i was thinking sergio martinez as well. not keen on dzinziruk's chances though.

Everything Quintana does, Dzinziruk does better. He has a good chance

Originally Posted by Majesty

You know when Roy Jones knocked out Montell Griffin in the first round of the rematch I'm sure no one used evidence of their first fight to say how to beat Roy Jones

Whatever Quintana did in the first fight that he did effectively Williams adjusted to and overwhelmed him and knocked him out in the first round. If someone is gonna beat Williams it would probably be someone with one punch power because it's gonna be hard to outbox him now since the first time he was he has adjusted. And near impossible to outwork him so you'll either have to be a masterful boxer like a Mayweather or have one punch power since he can be hit.

Difference is Griffin wasn't competitive in the rematch. He did nothing but get blown out. Quintana was winning the round till he got caught. Your comparison doesn't work

Quintana wasn't very competitive in the rematch. Are you serious? You think quintana was winning the first round with Williams?

The first round was this. Williams came out with something completely different that he didn't use in the first fight. A jab. he used the jab to keep Quintana at a distance and was throwing single shots with it, Quintana would come in with a hard blow and Williams would answer back then would go back to jabbing Quintana on the outside, Quintana lands one hard straight left and Williams answers back with two blows and Quintana tries to answer but misses. After that point Williams starts putting more on the jab and starts snapping Quintana's head back. Then Williams eventually doubles up on the jab and when Quintana tries to come in and land a shot(like he'd done earlier) Williams catches him with a straight right that puts Quintana on queer street and Quintana holds on for dear life, now Williams starts opening up with combinations and pushes him against the ropes and lands a few more hard shots, Quintana gets out and Williams goes back and double jabs and lands a straight right and down goes Quintana. And the end of the fight isn't too long after that.

There was no way Quintana was winning that first round. Williams' jab was winning that round for him before he started to double up. Once Williams started doubling the jab Quintana never saw the right coming. Whereas in the first fight Williams didn't jab very much if at all, in the rematch Williams brought out a jab, and once Quintana thought he had an answer for it Williams doubled it and had a right hand waiting. Quintana isn't going to ever beat Paul Williams again the same way he did in the first fight. Quintana doesn't seem to have an answer for that double jab of Williams, never saw the right coming after that. If you throw single shots at Quintana he will outbox you all night and thats the mistake Williams made. But he actually threw a second and a third shot and Quintana got caught every time he set it up with a double jab. if Quintana doesn't get an answer for that jab he has no chance at beating Williams again.