Out of interest I'm wondering how many other guys below heavyweight we think could have done just as effective a job against Valuev as Haye did?

Below is my list of fighters who I think would all beat Valuev.

Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins)
James Toney (prime, prob even now)
Chad Dawson
Joe Calzaghe
Artur Abraham
Mikkell Kessler
Paul Williams
Thomas Adamek
Andre Ward

Fighters who would go 12 rounds but may not win the decision.

Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquaio
Shane Mosely
Ivan Calderon

I'm not even joking or being sarcastic here.

How in the world would Valuev ever catch up with Ivan Calderon? He'd never get close.

I don't think Valuev would stop ANY of those inside the distance and all of the fighters in the top list would beat him imo.

Haye's win is just no big deal, Valuev is just fucking awful.

Anyone disagree?

i made a thread YEARS ago to fuck around that ivan calderon could beat valuev

This thread has some real entertainment potential.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Out of interest I'm wondering how many other guys below heavyweight we think could have done just as effective a job against Valuev as Haye did?

Below is my list of fighters who I think would all beat Valuev.

Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins)
James Toney (prime, prob even now)
Chad Dawson
Joe Calzaghe
Artur Abraham
Mikkell Kessler
Paul Williams
Thomas Adamek
Andre Ward

Fighters who would go 12 rounds but may not win the decision.

Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquaio
Shane Mosely
Ivan Calderon

I'm not even joking or being sarcastic here.

How in the world would Valuev ever catch up with Ivan Calderon? He'd never get close.

I don't think Valuev would stop ANY of those inside the distance and all of the fighters in the top list would beat him imo.

Haye's win is just no big deal, Valuev is just fucking awful.

Anyone disagree?

Valuev is far to young to even be considered an opponent for Joe Calzaghe

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Out of interest I'm wondering how many other guys below heavyweight we think could have done just as effective a job against Valuev as Haye did?

Below is my list of fighters who I think would all beat Valuev.

Bernard Hopkins
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins)
James Toney (prime, prob even now)
Chad Dawson
Joe Calzaghe
Artur Abraham
Mikkell Kessler
Paul Williams
Thomas Adamek
Andre Ward

Fighters who would go 12 rounds but may not win the decision.

Floyd Mayweather
Manny Pacquaio
Shane Mosely
Ivan Calderon

I'm not even joking or being sarcastic here.

How in the world would Valuev ever catch up with Ivan Calderon? He'd never get close.

I don't think Valuev would stop ANY of those inside the distance and all of the fighters in the top list would beat him imo.

Haye's win is just no big deal, Valuev is just fucking awful.

Anyone disagree?

Valuev is far to young to even be considered an opponent for Joe Calzaghe

Im with you on this one LOL Perhaps Calzaghe may think he can beat Haye and come out of retirement so we can see him get his head weaved in to the canvas

Originally Posted by CFH

This thread has some real entertainment potential.

I think the answer we're looking for is Linford Christie.

Pac by KO

Bernard Hopkins - A fighter with his style getting a decision in germany?? No chance
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins) - prime valuev is simply too big and jabs his way to a decision. Now the exact same thing
James Toney (prime, prob even now) - Not even on his complete day, valuev is too big and too awkward
Chad Dawson - Potentially if he had gone through the cruisers, heavys in the right way. dont see why not
Joe Calzaghe - He`s a skinny 175pounder, how the hell does he make it to heavyweight let alone win a world title
Artur Abraham - Your taking the piss now right??
Mikkell Kessler - Too small, his style suits him to a tea at SM
Paul Williams - Even for a 6foot 2 former welterweight it would be step ladder time. How the hell would PW be able to retain his slick style 50pounds heavier??
Thomas Adamek - Along with dawson potentially. Need to see him in with genuine competition at heavy. And he needs bulking up muscle
Andre Ward - Watch how he struggle with a guy at 168 and gets KO`d. then come back and tell me he beats a 325pounder


nice try at fishing bilbo, elterrible and demise will love you for this!!

Valuev was dogshit

I feel a villian part in a new bond film coming his was

All he's good for.

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Bernard Hopkins - A fighter with his style getting a decision in germany?? No chance
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins) - prime valuev is simply too big and jabs his way to a decision. Now the exact same thing
James Toney (prime, prob even now) - Not even on his complete day, valuev is too big and too awkward
Chad Dawson - Potentially if he had gone through the cruisers, heavys in the right way. dont see why not
Joe Calzaghe - He`s a skinny 175pounder, how the hell does he make it to heavyweight let alone win a world title
Artur Abraham - Your taking the piss now right??
Mikkell Kessler - Too small, his style suits him to a tea at SM
Paul Williams - Even for a 6foot 2 former welterweight it would be step ladder time. How the hell would PW be able to retain his slick style 50pounds heavier??
Thomas Adamek - Along with dawson potentially. Need to see him in with genuine competition at heavy. And he needs bulking up muscle
Andre Ward - Watch how he struggle with a guy at 168 and gets KO`d. then come back and tell me he beats a 325pounder


nice try at fishing bilbo, elterrible and demise will love you for this!!

I'm not fishing, honestly I would put money on all of those guys doing the same job Haye did. Whether Hopkins would get a decision in Germany is irelevent, I'm talking about replicating the performance that Haye put on. Hopkins, even in his 40's would be just as confortable against Valuev as Haye was.

So how many of those above do you think Valuev would knock out?

Explain to me how he would hit them on the basis of his last two fights with Evander and Haye?

All of the fighters I mentioned would easily be able to stay away for 12 rounds and come in with the occasional punch.

I honestly can't see a gameplan for Valuev that stops any of them. Virtually all those fights would go 12 rounds and be a toss up as to who would win.

Haye did nothing special at all. He fought a terrible guy who happened to be huge at the expense of mobility. And he just kept away. Big deal.

Usain Bolt could go 12 rounds with Valuev.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Bernard Hopkins - A fighter with his style getting a decision in germany?? No chance
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins) - prime valuev is simply too big and jabs his way to a decision. Now the exact same thing
James Toney (prime, prob even now) - Not even on his complete day, valuev is too big and too awkward
Chad Dawson - Potentially if he had gone through the cruisers, heavys in the right way. dont see why not
Joe Calzaghe - He`s a skinny 175pounder, how the hell does he make it to heavyweight let alone win a world title
Artur Abraham - Your taking the piss now right??
Mikkell Kessler - Too small, his style suits him to a tea at SM
Paul Williams - Even for a 6foot 2 former welterweight it would be step ladder time. How the hell would PW be able to retain his slick style 50pounds heavier??
Thomas Adamek - Along with dawson potentially. Need to see him in with genuine competition at heavy. And he needs bulking up muscle
Andre Ward - Watch how he struggle with a guy at 168 and gets KO`d. then come back and tell me he beats a 325pounder


nice try at fishing bilbo, elterrible and demise will love you for this!!

I'm not fishing, honestly I would put money on all of those guys doing the same job Haye did. Whether Hopkins would get a decision in Germany is irelevent, I'm talking about replicating the performance that Haye put on. Hopkins, even in his 40's would be just as confortable against Valuev as Haye was.

So how many of those above do you think Valuev would knock out?

Explain to me how he would hit them on the basis of his last two fights with Evander and Haye?

All of the fighters I mentioned would easily be able to stay away for 12 rounds and come in with the occasional punch.

I honestly can't see a gameplan for Valuev that stops any of them. Virtually all those fights would go 12 rounds and be a toss up as to who would win.

Haye did nothing special at all. He fought a terrible guy who happened to be huge at the expense of mobility. And he just kept away. Big deal.

Usain Bolt could go 12 rounds with Valuev.

About 50 blokes have tried to beat him and failed, so it really aint thaty simple

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Bernard Hopkins - A fighter with his style getting a decision in germany?? No chance
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins) - prime valuev is simply too big and jabs his way to a decision. Now the exact same thing
James Toney (prime, prob even now) - Not even on his complete day, valuev is too big and too awkward
Chad Dawson - Potentially if he had gone through the cruisers, heavys in the right way. dont see why not
Joe Calzaghe - He`s a skinny 175pounder, how the hell does he make it to heavyweight let alone win a world title
Artur Abraham - Your taking the piss now right??
Mikkell Kessler - Too small, his style suits him to a tea at SM
Paul Williams - Even for a 6foot 2 former welterweight it would be step ladder time. How the hell would PW be able to retain his slick style 50pounds heavier??
Thomas Adamek - Along with dawson potentially. Need to see him in with genuine competition at heavy. And he needs bulking up muscle
Andre Ward - Watch how he struggle with a guy at 168 and gets KO`d. then come back and tell me he beats a 325pounder


nice try at fishing bilbo, elterrible and demise will love you for this!!

I'm not fishing, honestly I would put money on all of those guys doing the same job Haye did. Whether Hopkins would get a decision in Germany is irelevent, I'm talking about replicating the performance that Haye put on. Hopkins, even in his 40's would be just as confortable against Valuev as Haye was.

So how many of those above do you think Valuev would knock out?

Explain to me how he would hit them on the basis of his last two fights with Evander and Haye?

All of the fighters I mentioned would easily be able to stay away for 12 rounds and come in with the occasional punch.

I honestly can't see a gameplan for Valuev that stops any of them. Virtually all those fights would go 12 rounds and be a toss up as to who would win.

Haye did nothing special at all. He fought a terrible guy who happened to be huge at the expense of mobility. And he just kept away. Big deal.

Usain Bolt could go 12 rounds with Valuev.

Your missing the point...

None of those are natural heavyweights. What jones did to a 6`4 ruiz is an entire different story when you put an extra foot of heighth and 100 odd pounds.

If arthur abraham woke up tommorow morning 9 inches taller and 60 pounds heavier sure id give him a chance of beating valuev.

But your not gonna get any of those suddenly jumping up, giving far more physical attributes away than haye did yet winning through there qualitys at their own weights because......the guys 7foot 2 and 320 pounds for peet sake!

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Bernard Hopkins - A fighter with his style getting a decision in germany?? No chance
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins) - prime valuev is simply too big and jabs his way to a decision. Now the exact same thing
James Toney (prime, prob even now) - Not even on his complete day, valuev is too big and too awkward
Chad Dawson - Potentially if he had gone through the cruisers, heavys in the right way. dont see why not
Joe Calzaghe - He`s a skinny 175pounder, how the hell does he make it to heavyweight let alone win a world title
Artur Abraham - Your taking the piss now right??
Mikkell Kessler - Too small, his style suits him to a tea at SM
Paul Williams - Even for a 6foot 2 former welterweight it would be step ladder time. How the hell would PW be able to retain his slick style 50pounds heavier??
Thomas Adamek - Along with dawson potentially. Need to see him in with genuine competition at heavy. And he needs bulking up muscle
Andre Ward - Watch how he struggle with a guy at 168 and gets KO`d. then come back and tell me he beats a 325pounder


nice try at fishing bilbo, elterrible and demise will love you for this!!

I'm not fishing, honestly I would put money on all of those guys doing the same job Haye did. Whether Hopkins would get a decision in Germany is irelevent, I'm talking about replicating the performance that Haye put on. Hopkins, even in his 40's would be just as confortable against Valuev as Haye was.

So how many of those above do you think Valuev would knock out?

Explain to me how he would hit them on the basis of his last two fights with Evander and Haye?

All of the fighters I mentioned would easily be able to stay away for 12 rounds and come in with the occasional punch.

I honestly can't see a gameplan for Valuev that stops any of them. Virtually all those fights would go 12 rounds and be a toss up as to who would win.

Haye did nothing special at all. He fought a terrible guy who happened to be huge at the expense of mobility. And he just kept away. Big deal.

Usain Bolt could go 12 rounds with Valuev.

Your missing the point...

None of those are natural heavyweights. What jones did to a 6`4 ruiz is an entire different story when you put an extra foot of heighth and 100 odd pounds.

If arthur abraham woke up tommorow morning 9 inches taller and 60 pounds heavier sure id give him a chance of beating valuev.

But your not gonna get any of those suddenly jumping up, giving far more physical attributes away than haye did yet winning through there qualitys at their own weights because......the guys 7foot 2 and 320 pounds for peet sake!

Don't ever call me a 'gayer' again after using that phrase

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Originally Posted by Bilbo

I'm not fishing, honestly I would put money on all of those guys doing the same job Haye did. Whether Hopkins would get a decision in Germany is irelevent, I'm talking about replicating the performance that Haye put on. Hopkins, even in his 40's would be just as confortable against Valuev as Haye was.

So how many of those above do you think Valuev would knock out?

Explain to me how he would hit them on the basis of his last two fights with Evander and Haye?

All of the fighters I mentioned would easily be able to stay away for 12 rounds and come in with the occasional punch.

I honestly can't see a gameplan for Valuev that stops any of them. Virtually all those fights would go 12 rounds and be a toss up as to who would win.

Haye did nothing special at all. He fought a terrible guy who happened to be huge at the expense of mobility. And he just kept away. Big deal.

Usain Bolt could go 12 rounds with Valuev.

Your missing the point...

None of those are natural heavyweights. What jones did to a 6`4 ruiz is an entire different story when you put an extra foot of heighth and 100 odd pounds.

If arthur abraham woke up tommorow morning 9 inches taller and 60 pounds heavier sure id give him a chance of beating valuev.

But your not gonna get any of those suddenly jumping up, giving far more physical attributes away than haye did yet winning through there qualitys at their own weights because......the guys 7foot 2 and 320 pounds for peet sake!

Don't ever call me a 'gayer' again after using that phrase

DAMN, FECK, ARSE

Why didnt i just stick to my traditional f*ck


****note to self****

You arent terry nutkins hammer and you never will be

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Bernard Hopkins - A fighter with his style getting a decision in germany?? No chance
Roy Jones ( prime wins easy, current Roy still wins) - prime valuev is simply too big and jabs his way to a decision. Now the exact same thing
James Toney (prime, prob even now) - Not even on his complete day, valuev is too big and too awkward
Chad Dawson - Potentially if he had gone through the cruisers, heavys in the right way. dont see why not
Joe Calzaghe - He`s a skinny 175pounder, how the hell does he make it to heavyweight let alone win a world title
Artur Abraham - Your taking the piss now right??
Mikkell Kessler - Too small, his style suits him to a tea at SM
Paul Williams - Even for a 6foot 2 former welterweight it would be step ladder time. How the hell would PW be able to retain his slick style 50pounds heavier??
Thomas Adamek - Along with dawson potentially. Need to see him in with genuine competition at heavy. And he needs bulking up muscle
Andre Ward - Watch how he struggle with a guy at 168 and gets KO`d. then come back and tell me he beats a 325pounder


nice try at fishing bilbo, elterrible and demise will love you for this!!

I'm not fishing, honestly I would put money on all of those guys doing the same job Haye did. Whether Hopkins would get a decision in Germany is irelevent, I'm talking about replicating the performance that Haye put on. Hopkins, even in his 40's would be just as confortable against Valuev as Haye was.

So how many of those above do you think Valuev would knock out?

Explain to me how he would hit them on the basis of his last two fights with Evander and Haye?

All of the fighters I mentioned would easily be able to stay away for 12 rounds and come in with the occasional punch.

I honestly can't see a gameplan for Valuev that stops any of them. Virtually all those fights would go 12 rounds and be a toss up as to who would win.

Haye did nothing special at all. He fought a terrible guy who happened to be huge at the expense of mobility. And he just kept away. Big deal.

Usain Bolt could go 12 rounds with Valuev.

Your missing the point...

None of those are natural heavyweights. What jones did to a 6`4 ruiz is an entire different story when you put an extra foot of heighth and 100 odd pounds.

If arthur abraham woke up tommorow morning 9 inches taller and 60 pounds heavier sure id give him a chance of beating valuev.

But your not gonna get any of those suddenly jumping up, giving far more physical attributes away than haye did yet winning through there qualitys at their own weights because......the guys 7foot 2 and 320 pounds for peet sake!

No you are missing my point! Valuev is so slow he simply cannot hit a smaller, faster man. The smaller the guy the more elusive a target he represents.

Explain to me how Valuev would land a single punch on Floyd Mayweather for example? All he does is lumber forward cluelessly, Floyd would easily go 12 rounds with Valuev, and he wouldn't have to bulk up.

325 lb Valuev vs 147 lb Floyd is a 12 round fight imo and one in which Floyd could conceivably win for accurate punching.

Valuev is nothing more than a mobile wall that you just need to circle away from and.

I genuinely can't see how he could catch and stop any fighter determined to keep away from him.

He's useless and ironically the smaller you are the easier it is to probably survive against him.

Guys like Hopkins, Jones, even Floyd and Mosely would have no trouble going 12 rounds with him. Would they do enough to win in the eyes of the judges, maybe maybe not, but that's not the point.

All I'm asking is could they do what Haye did, keep away for 12 rounds and throw maybe 2 punches a round?

I say they can. If you disagree what do you see Valuev doing differently to be able to catch these even smaller, faster men when he couldn't get near Haye all night?