Thread: Pacfans - Why the "30 day" without test rule is BS!!

I'm just gonna provide a simple link with steroid detection times...Make your own conclusion as to why Roach doesn't want Manny tested "within 30 days of the fight"

Steroid Detection Times of Various Anabolic Steroids by Steroid.com

This chart also doesn't show EPO or HGH which are the main PED's in question.

Not sure HGH detection time but EPO's detection time in urine is as little as 4 hours up to around 18 hours! Even thought it is out of the system in no time at all, the benefit you get from it lasts for months. This is why blood should be done to check hematocrit levels in the blood to detect any EPO abuse!

Pacfans...next excuse please..

Originally Posted by Althugz

I'm just gonna provide a simple link with steroid detection times...Make your own conclusion as to why Roach doesn't want Manny tested "within 30 days of the fight"

Steroid Detection Times of Various Anabolic Steroids by Steroid.com

This chart also doesn't show EPO or HGH which are the main PED's in question.

Not sure HGH detection time but EPO's detection time in urine is as little as 4 hours up to around 18 hours! Even thought it is out of the system in no time at all, the benefit you get from it lasts for months. This is why blood should be done to check hematocrit levels in the blood to detect any EPO abuse!

Pacfans...next excuse please..

Here are the Excuses.

1. Pac is superstitious.
2. Pac is afraid of needles.
3. Pac doesnt' want to give in to Floyd's demands.
4. Pac feels it will weaken him for the fight.
5. Pac feels he has nothing to prove since Floyd Sr. is a drug addict and just slandering him.

Manny has agreed to provide a blood sample IMMEDIATELY after the fight. A sample from immediately after the fight would show up exactly the same as one done a few days before.

I really believe team Mayweather and the GBP were gonna set up Pac. They were gonna sabotage him. That's why I urge Travis Tygart to just return the under the table money that he received.

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Manny has agreed to provide a blood sample IMMEDIATELY after the fight. A sample from immediately after the fight would show up exactly the same as one done a few days before.

I really believe team Mayweather and the GBP were gonna set up Pac. They were gonna sabotage him. That's why I urge Travis Tygart to just return the under the table money that he received.

I respect your opinion and believe me I am not trying to stir this pot anymore. But getting tested after the fight does nothing especially if a figther tests positive. The purpose is to catch a cheater before they go into the ring and possibly kills the opponent. A la the Cotto/Margarito and Mosley/Margarito. And the effectiveness of random is defeated if you know when the test is coming. Team Pac wants to determine when they will be tested for blood and also not within 30 days before the fight. If you know the test times there are plenty of masking agents and purposeful cycling times in your favor.

i found these links from a thread at philboxing (i know, i know phil"boxing"). but these articles seem legit and kind of contradicts what has been said by other scientists.

source:Pacland's Philippine Boxing Forum • View topic - Blood vs Urine test to detetct HGH and EPO according to expe

EPO Drug Testing on epo testing

Scientists say breakthrough urine test for HGH developed - USATODAY.com on development of hgh urine testing

then i went to CeresNano to see updates on this development and sawthis USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

compare it to this Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | Floyd Mayweather - - MLive.com

i gotta say, as much as i'm getting tired beating this issue to death, i still get drawn to it. i really just want this fight to happen. i don't care who wins.

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Originally Posted by blegit

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Manny has agreed to provide a blood sample IMMEDIATELY after the fight. A sample from immediately after the fight would show up exactly the same as one done a few days before.

I really believe team Mayweather and the GBP were gonna set up Pac. They were gonna sabotage him. That's why I urge Travis Tygart to just return the under the table money that he received.

I respect your opinion and believe me I am not trying to stir this pot anymore. But getting tested after the fight does nothing especially if a figther tests positive. The purpose is to catch a cheater before they go into the ring and possibly kills the opponent. A la the Cotto/Margarito and Mosley/Margarito. And the effectiveness of random is defeated if you know when the test is coming. Team Pac wants to determine when they will be tested for blood and also not within 30 days before the fight. If you know the test times there are plenty of masking agents and purposeful cycling times in your favor.

There is no need to make excuses for Pacquiao, He can defend himself and make his own stupid decisions.

This is not a new thread. Everything in it is already on this forum. When applying random testing you basically saying the person being tested is guilty but since you have no proof, you have to resort to fishing. Sure random testing has its applications but testing is exacting technology. There is nothing that would help a fighter during the fight that wouldn't show up immediately after the fight in a blood or urine test that would show up randomly.

I have actually already posted this link in another thread but you can read about the testing here: Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org the site provided doesn't have any sources.

HGH: To gain any benefit for a fight you would actually need to use the HGH before or during training. As far as I have read only the blood test is used, but I also read that WADA has already approved the nanotrap urine test which obsoletes the blood test. read about in the provided link.

EPO: The effects of EPO can be tested for immediately following the fight.

One thing I haven't come across is what labs the different administering organizations use. I would not be surprised if they use the exact same testing facility. Since they all seem to point to UCLA.

Both fight fans are really losers here.

Both fighters has an egos and pride.

Both of them are found clean by NSCA in their last few fights

The question is WHY now with Pacquiao? Can we list the last fight with Floyd with this kind OLYMPIC style of testing.

Pacquiao is willing for 30 days and after the fight blood testing.

I agree with also with the random testing but the timing is not good especially they are both found clean by NSCA in their last 5 or ten fights which is the standard procedure in boxing.

Plain and simple if Pac found guilty with prohibited drug related enhancing drugs he'll tarnished his legacy. Still his willing to give at 30th day before the fight and the after fight where he's comfortable.

The problem with the Mayweather/GBP they can't directly accused PAC as prohibited drug user, nor the NSAC is dumb. tho we know PAC and FloydJR are clean and Shane Mosley was found a enhancing drugs (Balco) and Vargas with Steroids. And then the GBP will say they are not accusing PAC they want only to test his blood (Hypocrisy?)

Well i dont who wins. but i guess FLoyd Jr. is really has the advantage here
weight,reach his turf LAS VEGAS etc. he's been all around welters for five years, i have given him a chance to win this.

WHY HE CANT FIGHT PAC in boxing standard procedure of testing?

The arguments as to why 30 days is not good enough have been gone into enough. The test needs to be a random blood test in order to ensure that we are really getting a fair fight.

This whole situation is setting a precedent, but it is good that Mayweather has done this because the commisions are seemingly in no hurry to update the methods of testing currently implemented. I don't think anyone could say that boxing covers drug testing as effectively as in other sports. And I don't think anybody could argue against us wanting our top boxers to be tested with the most rigourous and comprehensive procedures available. I don't understand why anyone would be against Manny taking the test really, especially as Mayweather would be doing it too.

The truth is that Manny has been a bit of a freak in recent fights and I don't mean that in a bad way. He walked through DLH, crushed Hatton and traded with Cotto and came out on top with relative ease. And yet before that he pretty much lost a close fight with Marquez (despite what the judges say) and looked pretty mediocre in the Barrera rematch. Has he really just risen to another level just like that? On that basis alone you might question whether it is all really down to natural ability and hard work or has it all been enhanced with something else? Isn't it a good thing to give a little blood and prove all the naysayers wrong?

That is what is so puzzling about Manny's responses and Roach having seemingly lost the plot in that interview on another thread. Something is clearly not quite right. I want Manny to be clean and I also want this fight. The fact that we are being denied this is plain wrong and more Pac fans need to change their tune and wise up to what has gone on here. No fight because of a refusal to be tested. I sound like a broken record repeating that.

Agree mate NSAC testing procedure should be updated. but now we know both fighters elite fighters. Manny/Floyd used to be test done by maybe outdated testing, but because of that thing happens the biggest fight could be not seen because of these kinds of terms

Well Mayweather/GBP wants a random testing but Team Pacquiao insist. As Pac said he not comfortable and has been before which led him to lose in prior to Morales fight we cant blame the fighter.

Would be good to see a fighter whose not competitive in a mega fight? Or doubting a fighter who's found out clean in last 10 previous fight in U.S?

Pee could be best testing now but withdrawing blood days before the fight seem that could be the problem for Pacquiao. Like Pacquiao said he is willing to give blood 30th day neither after/post fight.

Lets wait for the commission, Team Pacquiao feels there's a sabotage from GBP/Floyd team its the first time doin kind of thing, unless the commission has a new development to this case, I think still Pacquiao would agree to this just what he did prior from previous fight.

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Manny has agreed to provide a blood sample IMMEDIATELY after the fight. A sample from immediately after the fight would show up exactly the same as one done a few days before.

I really believe team Mayweather and the GBP were gonna set up Pac. They were gonna sabotage him. That's why I urge Travis Tygart to just return the under the table money that he received.

I give up with pacfans

Did you even check that link? Some steroids are out of your body within hours!! Let me give you a very basic example : pacquaio training camp begins, day 1 manny takes peds..day 30 manny comes off peds..day 31 after the fight manny tests clean.

Manny would still take into battle all the advantages he gained from ped use in camp! This is why it has to be random and comprehensive.

Open your eyes!

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Manny has agreed to provide a blood sample IMMEDIATELY after the fight. A sample from immediately after the fight would show up exactly the same as one done a few days before.

I really believe team Mayweather and the GBP were gonna set up Pac. They were gonna sabotage him. That's why I urge Travis Tygart to just return the under the table money that he received.

I give up with pacfans

Did you even check that link? Some steroids are out of your body within hours!! Let me give you a very basic example : pacquaio training camp begins, day 1 manny takes peds..day 30 manny comes off peds..day 31 after the fight manny tests clean.

Manny would still take into battle all the advantages he gained from ped use in camp! This is why it has to be random and comprehensive.

Open your eyes!

Wow! Day 30 EXACTLY! Great timing!

Originally Posted by The Congressman

Originally Posted by Althugz

Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft

Manny has agreed to provide a blood sample IMMEDIATELY after the fight. A sample from immediately after the fight would show up exactly the same as one done a few days before.

I really believe team Mayweather and the GBP were gonna set up Pac. They were gonna sabotage him. That's why I urge Travis Tygart to just return the under the table money that he received.

I give up with pacfans

Did you even check that link? Some steroids are out of your body within hours!! Let me give you a very basic example : pacquaio training camp begins, day 1 manny takes peds..day 30 manny comes off peds..day 31 after the fight manny tests clean.

Manny would still take into battle all the advantages he gained from ped use in camp! This is why it has to be random and comprehensive.

Open your eyes!

Wow! Day 30 EXACTLY! Great timing!

I think Pac should just take the random test's, Floyd has agreed to take the same test's and to be honest I think it should be mandatory for world title fights to be tested in this way anyway.

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by The Congressman

Originally Posted by Althugz

I give up with pacfans

Did you even check that link? Some steroids are out of your body within hours!! Let me give you a very basic example : pacquaio training camp begins, day 1 manny takes peds..day 30 manny comes off peds..day 31 after the fight manny tests clean.

Manny would still take into battle all the advantages he gained from ped use in camp! This is why it has to be random and comprehensive.

Open your eyes!

Wow! Day 30 EXACTLY! Great timing!

I think Pac should just take the random test's, Floyd has agreed to take the same test's and to be honest I think it should be mandatory for world title fights to be tested in this way anyway.

True, Floyd has agreed to take the same test's. But he picked the particular agency to the testing (fishy). The NSAC must mandate their testing procedure asap.

Originally Posted by The Congressman

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by The Congressman

Wow! Day 30 EXACTLY! Great timing!

I think Pac should just take the random test's, Floyd has agreed to take the same test's and to be honest I think it should be mandatory for world title fights to be tested in this way anyway.

True, Floyd has agreed to take the same test's. But he picked the particular agency to the testing (fishy). The NSAC must mandate their testing procedure asap.

Floyd has also agreed to change the agency too though!!