Thread: Why Mayweather should fight Pacquiao in the ring!

Mayweather should fight Pacquiao and accept Pacquiao taking the additional blood tests and random urine tests he's offered beyond what NSAC mandates. Urine testing is proven to have the best methods for detecting PEDs that might be used. But this is not the most compelling reason Mayweather should fight Pacquiao. The most compelling reason Mayweather should fight Pacquiao is that it would take most of the 'money' out of the Law Suit. The Law Suit's impact on the defendants will be based on real and potential earnings Pacquiao can make. If they fight and make the most money any boxer has made in the history of the sport, how can Pacquiao claim Mayweather damaged his earning potential with his mouth? If Mayweather beats Pacquiao in the ring, he can claim he destroyed Pacquiao's furture potential earnings in the ring.

Originally Posted by fan johnny

Mayweather should fight Pacquiao and accept Pacquiao taking the additional blood tests and random urine tests he's offered beyond what NSAC mandates. Urine testing is proven to have the best methods for detecting PEDs that might be used. But this is not the most compelling reason Mayweather should fight Pacquiao. The most compelling reason Mayweather should fight Pacquiao is that it would take most of the 'money' out of the Law Suit. The Law Suit's impact on the defendants will be based on real and potential earnings Pacquiao can make. If they fight and make the most money any boxer has made in the history of the sport, how can Pacquiao claim Mayweather damaged his earning potential with his mouth? If Mayweather beats Pacquiao in the ring, he can claim he destroyed Pacquiao's furture potential earnings in the ring.

only person who has said that urine testing is the best testing is Roach, and seeing how Manny's his fighter, i doubt he'd say otherwise

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

only person who has said that urine testing is the best testing is Roach, and seeing how Manny's his fighter, i doubt he'd say otherwise

EPO Drug Testing

Scientists say breakthrough urine test for HGH developed - USATODAY.com

USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

EPO Detection - World Anti-Doping Agency

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

Originally Posted by erik_corrales

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

only person who has said that urine testing is the best testing is Roach, and seeing how Manny's his fighter, i doubt he'd say otherwise

EPO Drug Testing

Scientists say breakthrough urine test for HGH developed - USATODAY.com

USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

EPO Detection - World Anti-Doping Agency

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

Thanks for the links.

It's so irritating that haters are now becoming an authority on PEDs detection just to make an issue on Pac. Whew.

The issue is getting crazier with all these haters posing as experts on PEDS.

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by erik_corrales

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

only person who has said that urine testing is the best testing is Roach, and seeing how Manny's his fighter, i doubt he'd say otherwise

EPO Drug Testing

Scientists say breakthrough urine test for HGH developed - USATODAY.com

USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

EPO Detection - World Anti-Doping Agency

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

Thanks for the links.

It's so irritating that haters are now becoming an authority on PEDs detection just to make an issue on Pac. Whew.

The issue is getting crazier with all these haters posing as experts on PEDS.

worse yet are trainers questioning doctor's knowledge when it comes to drug tests

HGH and EPO are only two of many, many performance enhancing drugs, not to mention that new ones are being developed all the time. It is a FACT that random blood AND urine tests are the most conclusive form of testing available at the moment. I could post 10000 links on the subject, yet I doubt that most Pacquiao fans would even bat an eyelid and continue to praise their hero. I can see that most Pac fans have already made their minds on the issue, no matter how reality stares at them.

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by erik_corrales

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

only person who has said that urine testing is the best testing is Roach, and seeing how Manny's his fighter, i doubt he'd say otherwise

EPO Drug Testing

Scientists say breakthrough urine test for HGH developed - USATODAY.com

USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

EPO Detection - World Anti-Doping Agency

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

Thanks for the links.

It's so irritating that haters are now becoming an authority on PEDs detection just to make an issue on Pac. Whew.

The issue is getting crazier with all these haters posing as experts on PEDS.

Kind of like Pacfan's looking at their fighter objectively/unemotionally. Just because you question something it doesn't make you a hater, it makes you sensible.
If the situation was reversed and it was Manny requesting the blood tests and PBF's camp were refusing, then we all know what you would be saying. Before getting all worked up and denying it and calling me a hater, just think about it

Originally Posted by TheBranMan

HGH and EPO are only two of many, many performance enhancing drugs, not to mention that new ones are being developed all the time. It is a FACT that random blood AND urine tests are the most conclusive form of testing available at the moment. I could post 10000 links on the subject, yet I doubt that most Pacquiao fans would even bat an eyelid and continue to praise their hero. I can see that most Pac fans have already made their minds on the issue, no matter how reality stares at them.

The BS is thick enough without adding to it. If you want to state "FACTS" and have something compelling that might show us what PED boxers could be using, then prove it! The reason these two hgh and epo come out in most of the threads is because these are the two most likely to be used by boxers unreal work ethic and what is cited as reasons the blood test is needed and need to be random. That is according to the so called experts.

Originally Posted by erik_corrales

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

only person who has said that urine testing is the best testing is Roach, and seeing how Manny's his fighter, i doubt he'd say otherwise

EPO Drug Testing

Scientists say breakthrough urine test for HGH developed - USATODAY.com

USADA will help fund further study of urine test for HGH - USATODAY.com

EPO Detection - World Anti-Doping Agency

Drug Tests Used in Sports - Sports and Drugs - ProCon.org

I hope you're posting these links to back ElTerribleMorales' post because those links do not say that urine testing is the best. They say that most agencies use a mixture of blood & urine tests & in the 4th link it says that although urine testing was believed to be the most valid, the urine tests have been adapted into blood tests to detect newer erythropoiesis stimulating agents.

And in the last link it says the urine test can only detect 2-5 days after they've been ingested:

Unlike urine testing, which only detects illegal substances between two and five days after they have been ingested, hair samples offer a 'telltale history' of a person’s consumption patterns for up to a year, depending on the length of their hair... Human hair grows on average by 1cm a month, so even cheats with a 'number one' crop (3mm) could not evade detection unless they stopped taking drugs ten days before providing a sample. The test can also be carried out on body hair, so athletes with bald or wet-shaved heads would also expect to be caught out...

Although no definitive test yet exists for the detection of rhGH, there has been some progress of late. One method measures the amount of the 20-kD isomer in the serum, which is present at a level of 10% in normal samples but is suppressed when rhGH is given. This method has shown promise of detecting rhGH within 24 hours of the last dose; however, it requires a blood test and cannot detect cadaveric hGH.

There is mention of scientists developing a urine test that can detect HGH but your links are dated and there is no mention of it being used in the field but rather just mention of it being developed.

Originally Posted by TheBranMan

HGH and EPO are only two of many, many performance enhancing drugs, not to mention that new ones are being developed all the time. It is a FACT that random blood AND urine tests are the most conclusive form of testing available at the moment. I could post 10000 links on the subject, yet I doubt that most Pacquiao fans would even bat an eyelid and continue to praise their hero. I can see that most Pac fans have already made their minds on the issue, no matter how reality stares at them.

wasn't hgh and epo the reason why mayweather/GBP wanted blood testing?

so what else aren't detectable by urine which pacquiao can possibly be taking?

Originally Posted by fan johnny

Originally Posted by TheBranMan

HGH and EPO are only two of many, many performance enhancing drugs, not to mention that new ones are being developed all the time. It is a FACT that random blood AND urine tests are the most conclusive form of testing available at the moment. I could post 10000 links on the subject, yet I doubt that most Pacquiao fans would even bat an eyelid and continue to praise their hero. I can see that most Pac fans have already made their minds on the issue, no matter how reality stares at them.

The BS is thick enough without adding to it. If you want to state "FACTS" and have something compelling that might show us what PED boxers could be using, then prove it! The reason these two hgh and epo come out in most of the threads is because these are the two most likely to be used by boxers unreal work ethic and what is cited as reasons the blood test is needed and need to be random. That is according to the so called experts.

I think the point he's trying to make is that most scientists agree that Urine AND Blood tests are the best testing methods we have today. While they are not 100% fool proof, they are the best at the moment.

Originally Posted by knodaledge

Unlike urine testing, which only detects illegal substances between two and five days after they have been ingested, hair samples offer a 'telltale history' of a person’s consumption patterns for up to a year, depending on the length of their hair... Human hair grows on average by 1cm a month, so even cheats with a 'number one' crop (3mm) could not evade detection unless they stopped taking drugs ten days before providing a sample. The test can also be carried out on body hair, so athletes with bald or wet-shaved heads would also expect to be caught out...

Although no definitive test yet exists for the detection of rhGH, there has been some progress of late. One method measures the amount of the 20-kD isomer in the serum, which is present at a level of 10% in normal samples but is suppressed when rhGH is given. This method has shown promise of detecting rhGH within 24 hours of the last dose; however, it requires a blood test and cannot detect cadaveric hGH.

There is mention of scientists developing a urine test that can detect HGH but your links are dated and there is no mention of it being used in the field but rather just mention of it being developed.

i've been trying to suggest hair testing. add to that unlimited urine sampling. blood testing pac has agreed. just not the excessive, 7 sampled, possibly 24 hours before fight night kind of deal.

Originally Posted by erik_corrales

Originally Posted by TheBranMan

HGH and EPO are only two of many, many performance enhancing drugs, not to mention that new ones are being developed all the time. It is a FACT that random blood AND urine tests are the most conclusive form of testing available at the moment. I could post 10000 links on the subject, yet I doubt that most Pacquiao fans would even bat an eyelid and continue to praise their hero. I can see that most Pac fans have already made their minds on the issue, no matter how reality stares at them.

wasn't hgh and epo the reason why mayweather/GBP wanted blood testing?

so what else aren't detectable by urine which pacquiao can possibly be taking?

it's clear bro that they're making an issue to a test that everybody in boxing is doing before and after the fight. Experts say that urine test can be used to detect but haters will not admit to it because they are " the EXPERTS" now in PED detection.

Anyway, haters will be haters (e.g. VD and Branman) and huggers will be huggers (e.g. Branman).

Pac agrees to random drug testings and haters will never be contented unless it's an Olympic drug test.

If Mayweather agrees to Pac's deal then it means random drug testing is the best way to detect PEDS.