Thread: Brucelee Speaks: PAC MUST TAKE THE BLOOD TESTING

As the biggest pacfan here, hear me fellow pac nuthuggers!

After days of mind wandering, I have at last found the wisdom to settle this crazy issue.

Here are my reasons why pac should take the blood testing as demanded by the gayweathers:
1. Pac should do the drug test and then continue with the case. If he's proven clear and win the fight, he will double his revenue: the assured pot money and the payment for defamation.

2. If he's clear and lose the fight, he'll still double his revenue: the assured pot money and the payment for defamation.

He has nothing to lose here.

3. Pac should and must take the olympic drug test. The boxing fans and the haters deserve to be satisfied.

4. Pac has no right to say no to something like drug testing no matter how ludicrous it is. This world is crazy and so he must abide by its wishes if he wants to survive.

5.Pac needs to finish this issue and start with the training. He needs to show gayweather who's the best in the ring. The whole world knows that the only way this fight will not happen is, with all the money involved, if he doesn't do the olympic drug testing.

6. IF Pac gives in to Mayweather's demand, his win over PBF will be much sweeter. He will become the GREATEST Fighter of ALL- TIME. Currently he's top 5 but with the issue unsettled he is nowhere top 100.

7. If Pac doesn't do the olympic drug test then his legacy will be tarnished forever. As a big pacfan myself, I will really feel bad if this fight will not continue.

8. I might be inclined to believe that he's juicing if he doesn't do the olympic drug testing.

9. He will be guilty unless proven innocent if he doesn't agree with the random blood testing.

10. I will become a pac hater for the rest of my life.

Whew, it feels nicer to be a pac hater than a pac hugger!!!

very good post, coming from a pachugger(?). none of this "he can't be juicing, he's too nice" crap.

my issue with this is if manny takes the test as floyd and ellerbe wanted it, that is they can draw blood even within 48 hours of the fight, and if manny loses, then that would certainly come up as the excuse. i'm all together for random testing but both camps should come to a compromise where the fighters will be subjected to an effective testing but at the same time will not have blood drawn within a specified period that would be more acceptable to team pacquiao. in that way there would be no excuses in the event manny loses.

i don't want another excuse like this interview in 2005 when blood was drawn from pac 2 days before the fight where manny says it weakened him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97MccjZwV4video posted by:
Wadapak23
December 30, 2009
Here is an interview of Manny Pacquiao some time in 2005 after his first fight with Erik Morales in which he lost to by a unanimous decision. In the video, Manny explains that getting his blood drawn 2 days before the fight had weakened him on the fight resulting to his 3rd professional loss against the Mexican Legend. I tried my best to do an accurate translation for the video. I hope this clears out any more doubts about the pound-for-pound king.

***TRANSLATION***

Dong Puno: "Now, let's talk about this thing they call 'blood test' and we don't understand this either. Why do you have to be blood tested 2 days BEFORE the fight? Then that's why here, in Manila, there were rumors that the fight might not happen because the Nevada Commission were insisting that the test must be passed and if not, they wouldn't give the fight any permit or recognition. What really happened there?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Here's what happened, one month before the fight, they rushed me into doing a 'medical' they said to be required by the Nevada Athletic Commission. Because they said that the Commission needed the required 'medical.' So I did the medical test one month before the fight. Complete with everything...

Dong Puno: "Including the blood test?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, including the blood test, they took my blood, then its done. So I went back to my training until the fight, then I was already reducing my intake. The next day, it's the weigh-in, it was 2 days before the fight. I didn't eat, I didn't drink water because my weight was right on. Now, all of a sudden, the commission called asking for my blood for the 'medical'. I said 'why, we've done that'. My camp reacted, my trainer 'Coach Freddie', even my manager 'Shirley' reacted why are they asking for my blood since we've done it. They said that the Doctor said he lost my medical record."

Dong Puno: "They lost it?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, they lost my record."

Dong Puno: "So, first of all, whose fault is this? Is it the hospitals'? One of your managers? One of your people? Because they didn't follow it up, they didn't verify that it was really submitted."

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, that's the thing. Why didn't the Nevada Athletic Commission have any record that they rushed me one month before the fight because they said they needed my medical record."

Dong Puno: "Well, that's really hard to explain..."

Manny Pacquiao: "And why did they have to wait 2 days before the fight until they inform us about it?"

Dong Puno: "You know, it appeared here in Manila that your people, they're blaming each other, pointing fingers that 'you should've checked this and that'."

Manny Pacquiao: "You know, I talked to a Doctor from another hospital and he told me that it is impossible that they lost my record since it's on a computer. It was impossible that they lost my record."

Dong Puno: "Ah, yeah that's it. So you didn't really look for whose fault it was? You really think the hospital was at fault?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, it was the hospital's fault, but we didn't really, you know, since there's no more time. The fight is in 2 days. So we didn't really, in other words I have big doubts that it was just a part of their tactic.

And you know, after they took blood from me. I felt dizzy after 30 minutes, the back of my head started hurting. The doctor said to drink a lot of water, but I couldn't drink water, I couldn't eat, so I just lied down and had it massaged."

Dong Puno: "So, by fight time, you really felt your body weakened?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, I really felt it. When I was hitting Morales with my punches. I said to myself that if this is the only power I have, I won't be able to knock Morales down."

Dong Puno: "You know, Morales said that after the fight, He said that he didn't feel any power from your punches."

Manny Pacquiao: "That's much better because he doesn't know how much power I have yet."

Dong Puno: "Haha, so next time, you'll make him feel it."

Originally Posted by KKisser

my issue with this is if manny takes the test as floyd and ellerbe wanted it, that is they can draw blood even within 48 hours of the fight, and if manny loses, then that would certainly come up as the excuse. i'm all together for random testing but both camps should come to a compromise where the fighters will be subjected to an effective testing but at the same time will not have blood drawn within a specified period that would be more acceptable to team pacquiao. in that way there would be no excuses in the event manny loses.

i don't want another excuse like this interview in 2005 when blood was drawn from pac 2 days before the fight where manny says it weakened him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97MccjZwV4video posted by:
Wadapak23
December 30, 2009
Here is an interview of Manny Pacquiao some time in 2005 after his first fight with Erik Morales in which he lost to by a unanimous decision. In the video, Manny explains that getting his blood drawn 2 days before the fight had weakened him on the fight resulting to his 3rd professional loss against the Mexican Legend. I tried my best to do an accurate translation for the video. I hope this clears out any more doubts about the pound-for-pound king.

***TRANSLATION***

Dong Puno: "Now, let's talk about this thing they call 'blood test' and we don't understand this either. Why do you have to be blood tested 2 days BEFORE the fight? Then that's why here, in Manila, there were rumors that the fight might not happen because the Nevada Commission were insisting that the test must be passed and if not, they wouldn't give the fight any permit or recognition. What really happened there?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Here's what happened, one month before the fight, they rushed me into doing a 'medical' they said to be required by the Nevada Athletic Commission. Because they said that the Commission needed the required 'medical.' So I did the medical test one month before the fight. Complete with everything...

Dong Puno: "Including the blood test?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, including the blood test, they took my blood, then its done. So I went back to my training until the fight, then I was already reducing my intake. The next day, it's the weigh-in, it was 2 days before the fight. I didn't eat, I didn't drink water because my weight was right on. Now, all of a sudden, the commission called asking for my blood for the 'medical'. I said 'why, we've done that'. My camp reacted, my trainer 'Coach Freddie', even my manager 'Shirley' reacted why are they asking for my blood since we've done it. They said that the Doctor said he lost my medical record."

Dong Puno: "They lost it?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, they lost my record."

Dong Puno: "So, first of all, whose fault is this? Is it the hospitals'? One of your managers? One of your people? Because they didn't follow it up, they didn't verify that it was really submitted."

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, that's the thing. Why didn't the Nevada Athletic Commission have any record that they rushed me one month before the fight because they said they needed my medical record."

Dong Puno: "Well, that's really hard to explain..."

Manny Pacquiao: "And why did they have to wait 2 days before the fight until they inform us about it?"

Dong Puno: "You know, it appeared here in Manila that your people, they're blaming each other, pointing fingers that 'you should've checked this and that'."

Manny Pacquiao: "You know, I talked to a Doctor from another hospital and he told me that it is impossible that they lost my record since it's on a computer. It was impossible that they lost my record."

Dong Puno: "Ah, yeah that's it. So you didn't really look for whose fault it was? You really think the hospital was at fault?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, it was the hospital's fault, but we didn't really, you know, since there's no more time. The fight is in 2 days. So we didn't really, in other words I have big doubts that it was just a part of their tactic.

And you know, after they took blood from me. I felt dizzy after 30 minutes, the back of my head started hurting. The doctor said to drink a lot of water, but I couldn't drink water, I couldn't eat, so I just lied down and had it massaged."

Dong Puno: "So, by fight time, you really felt your body weakened?"

Manny Pacquiao: "Yeah, I really felt it. When I was hitting Morales with my punches. I said to myself that if this is the only power I have, I won't be able to knock Morales down."

Dong Puno: "You know, Morales said that after the fight, He said that he didn't feel any power from your punches."

Manny Pacquiao: "That's much better because he doesn't know how much power I have yet."

Dong Puno: "Haha, so next time, you'll make him feel it."

Thanks for the clip and the effort to translate it.

Once a d*ck-rider, always a d*ck-rider. Trying to prove that you're an unbiased, reasonable person is like trying to argue that Pacquiao is f*ckin Irish. You've already posted false statements about Pac accepting random blood testing on other threads, among other lies to skew the truth so your boy doesn't come off as a princess. You're right about one thing though, Pacquiao should accept olympic-style blood testing, but he won't. MAYBE some skewed contract involving a few random blood tests but he'll never accept olympic-style tests. The guy is hiding something. Face it.

There's only 1 reason why Pacquiao should take the test that matters. If he refuses, he kills his legacy.

For the record, i do not believe Pacquiao has ever cheated. But the way the media is portraying him as "having something to hide" the average fan is going to buy it hook line & sinker even if it isn't true.

If Pacquiao has an issue with being accused by the Mayweather's he should deny them the fight and take the tests anyway. That way it appears that Mayweather postured his own self out of the fight.

Either way he has to take the tests to save face. The media is already ripping him apart & they have the power to do more damage. Ask Barry Bonds, Mark Mcguire & Roger Clemens.

Originally Posted by knodaledge

There's only 1 reason why Pacquiao should take the test that matters. If he refuses, he kills his legacy.

For the record, i do not believe Pacquiao has ever cheated. But the way the media is portraying him as "having something to hide" the average fan is going to buy it hook line & sinker even if it isn't true.

If Pacquiao has an issue with being accused by the Mayweather's he should deny them the fight and take the tests anyway. That way it appears that Mayweather postured his own self out of the fight.

Either way he has to take the tests to save face. The media is already ripping him apart & they have the power to do more damage. Ask Barry Bonds, Mark Mcguire & Roger Clemens.

that wouldn't prove anything. pacquiao, IF he is taking peds, doesn't need to be on anything without a fight to prepare for.

floyd's team only need to ease up on their demands regarding random testing within 48 hours of the fight and i think team pac would acquiece. anyways, they have mediation now and i'm pretty sure they would come up with a compromise.

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by knodaledge

There's only 1 reason why Pacquiao should take the test that matters. If he refuses, he kills his legacy.

For the record, i do not believe Pacquiao has ever cheated. But the way the media is portraying him as "having something to hide" the average fan is going to buy it hook line & sinker even if it isn't true.

If Pacquiao has an issue with being accused by the Mayweather's he should deny them the fight and take the tests anyway. That way it appears that Mayweather postured his own self out of the fight.

Either way he has to take the tests to save face. The media is already ripping him apart & they have the power to do more damage. Ask Barry Bonds, Mark Mcguire & Roger Clemens.

that wouldn't prove anything. pacquiao, IF he is taking peds, doesn't need to be on anything without a fight to prepare for.

floyd's team only need to ease up on their demands regarding random testing within 48 hours of the fight and i think team pac would acquiece. anyways, they have mediation now and i'm pretty sure they would come up with a compromise.

Nah, thats what I meant by deny them the fight. Choose someone over Mayweather (Foreman i guess is the main candidate), take the tests & win the fight to prove nothing is shady.

Originally Posted by brucelee

Here are my reasons why pac should take the blood testing as demanded by the gayweathers:
1. Pac should do the drug test and then continue with the case. If he's proven clear and win the fight, he will double his revenue: the assured pot money and the payment for defamation.

2. If he's clear and lose the fight, he'll still double his revenue: the assured pot money and the payment for defamation.

He has nothing to lose here.

It's my understanding that if just because Pac tested clean, it doesn't mean he would win a defamation suit against PBF et al. To win a Defamation suit you have to prove that what was said was said maliciously, without any belief that it's true. In this case the defendants could point to Pac's uncanny rise through the weight divisions, with his power and stamina intact, as evidence that in their minds led to their belief that Pac was using.

I agree with KKisser. There should be a stipulation that the cutoff for testing before the fight is greater than 48hrs. Maybe 72hrs... or even 1 week.

Originally Posted by Myk_Myk

Originally Posted by brucelee

Here are my reasons why pac should take the blood testing as demanded by the gayweathers:
1. Pac should do the drug test and then continue with the case. If he's proven clear and win the fight, he will double his revenue: the assured pot money and the payment for defamation.

2. If he's clear and lose the fight, he'll still double his revenue: the assured pot money and the payment for defamation.

He has nothing to lose here.

It's my understanding that if just because Pac tested clean, it doesn't mean he would win a defamation suit against PBF et al. To win a Defamation suit you have to prove that what was said was said maliciously, without any belief that it's true. In this case the defendants could point to Pac's uncanny rise through the weight divisions, with his power and stamina intact, as evidence that in their minds led to their belief that Pac was using.

I agree with KKisser. There should be a stipulation that the cutoff for testing before the fight is greater than 48hrs. Maybe 72hrs... or even 1 week.

if what was said wasnt malicious we wont have discussions in this forum. everybody everywhere is talking about pac taking peds and even some fighters try to jump in and say that they thinke pac is using peds. and in the court of law, you cant use speculations as a basis for a complaint. like if i look at you like im gonna kill you, you cant go to the cops and tell them that i look like im gonna kill you right? if mayweather sr and co. meant nothing malicious about pac using PEDS then why are they requesting random testing?

I"m still trying to figure out how Bruce can call himself the biggest Pacfan here and yet has already jumped ship...

I will stand strong until the proof is directly in my face... I will gracefully eat the egg if i am wrong, but you can sure as hell stick it up your arse until that point comes...

bruce lee has just shown that he isn't a complete blind pacroid idiot fan! at least this guy knows how to reason unlike those blind pactardos who will do everything to try to protect their little Lord and Savior!