Thread: Holyfield Vs Botha? What has the HW division come to?

I just can't believe Evander Holyfield will be fighting Frans Botha in Feb for the WBF HW title....The WBF title means zip zero and Nada but fact is if Holyfield wins this fight at 47 he will believe he is back in the HW title mix and we may have to endure him having another embarrassing loss against one of the various second rate contenders out there....

OR

Worse yet Holyfield Vs Ruiz 4!!!!!!!! Because John for as nice a guy he is also believes he is a major force in the division

Why is Evander still fighting? Why does he have a license?

It wouldn't be the first time an ancient past-it heavyweight got in the ring for money in a less than meaningless fight, would it? And I'm guessing African boxing authorities aren't quite as strict as their first world counterparts. You probably just have to get your manager to fill a form in, or perhaps even just pay somebody some money. Holyfield is short of dough too apparently and he's got 10 000 kids. So with those dynamics his career is not likely to end well, is it?

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

It wouldn't be the first time an ancient past-it heavyweight got in the ring for money in a less than meaningless fight, would it? And I'm guessing African boxing authorities aren't quite as strict as their first world counterparts. You probably just have to get your manager to fill a form in, or perhaps even just pay somebody some money. Holyfield is short of dough too apparently and he's got 10 000 kids. So with those dynamics his career is not likely to end well, is it?

I guess then there is no steroid testing there then huh?

Yeah I know what your saying but shit man there has to be some sort of standards.....Something....anything with these guys....Damn 25 cent title organizations.

An all time legend vs a guy who has only ever lost to the best infront of 8ok. It pits two guys and neiother come to run or play it cautiously. Id rather watch this over a Klit fight anyday. Both of them just prod out a jab at some bum with no motivation for afew rounds until they got bored. Holyfields fight is one of the most anticpated heavyweight fight in a while

I wouldn't say it's come to anything on the strength of this fight. Who are Holyfield, Botha or the WBF? It would be different if a legit fighter or legit belt were involved in any of this, but this is the same as me making up my own belt and sanctioning two bums on the corner to duke it out over it. It's meaningless; not even a raindrop in the ocean.

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I just can't believe Evander Holyfield will be fighting Frans Botha in Feb for the WBF HW title....The WBF title means zip zero and Nada but fact is if Holyfield wins this fight at 47 he will believe he is back in the HW title mix and we may have to endure him having another embarrassing loss against one of the various second rate contenders out there....

OR

Worse yet Holyfield Vs Ruiz 4!!!!!!!! Because John for as nice a guy he is also believes he is a major force in the division

Why is Evander still fighting? Why does he have a license?

Then you must not believe why David Haye is fighting either. Just one year ago Evander Holyfield showed more stuff in fighting Valuev than David Haye did.


Botha Holyfield is actually a decent scrap. Noone will be running and both guys have good fighting hearts. I would certainly rather watch this fight than suffer through Vitali K fighting Kevin Johnson.

Originally Posted by salty trunks

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I just can't believe Evander Holyfield will be fighting Frans Botha in Feb for the WBF HW title....The WBF title means zip zero and Nada but fact is if Holyfield wins this fight at 47 he will believe he is back in the HW title mix and we may have to endure him having another embarrassing loss against one of the various second rate contenders out there....

OR

Worse yet Holyfield Vs Ruiz 4!!!!!!!! Because John for as nice a guy he is also believes he is a major force in the division

Why is Evander still fighting? Why does he have a license?

Then you must not believe why David Haye is fighting either. Just one year ago Evander Holyfield showed more stuff in fighting Valuev than David Haye did.


Botha Holyfield is actually a decent scrap. Noone will be running and both guys have good fighting hearts. I would certainly rather watch this fight than suffer through Vitali K fighting Kevin Johnson.

i agree

holyfield botha is a shit fight but i would watch it over the recent wlad vitali snoozefests

Originally Posted by Drago

Originally Posted by salty trunks

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

I just can't believe Evander Holyfield will be fighting Frans Botha in Feb for the WBF HW title....The WBF title means zip zero and Nada but fact is if Holyfield wins this fight at 47 he will believe he is back in the HW title mix and we may have to endure him having another embarrassing loss against one of the various second rate contenders out there....

OR

Worse yet Holyfield Vs Ruiz 4!!!!!!!! Because John for as nice a guy he is also believes he is a major force in the division

Why is Evander still fighting? Why does he have a license?

Then you must not believe why David Haye is fighting either. Just one year ago Evander Holyfield showed more stuff in fighting Valuev than David Haye did.


Botha Holyfield is actually a decent scrap. Noone will be running and both guys have good fighting hearts. I would certainly rather watch this fight than suffer through Vitali K fighting Kevin Johnson.

i agree

holyfield botha is a shit fight but i would watch it over the recent wlad vitali snoozefests

So you would rather watch two guys with diminished skills bash each other's heads in than a competent HW at the top of his game dominate another HW, who, even though mediocre, is still better than Holyfield or Botha at this point in his career in a more-than-likely losing effort?

Originally Posted by Zilla

Originally Posted by Drago

Originally Posted by salty trunks

Then you must not believe why David Haye is fighting either. Just one year ago Evander Holyfield showed more stuff in fighting Valuev than David Haye did.


Botha Holyfield is actually a decent scrap. Noone will be running and both guys have good fighting hearts. I would certainly rather watch this fight than suffer through Vitali K fighting Kevin Johnson.

i agree

holyfield botha is a shit fight but i would watch it over the recent wlad vitali snoozefests

So you would rather watch two guys with diminished skills bash each other's heads in than a competent HW at the top of his game dominate another HW, who, even though mediocre, is still better than Holyfield or Botha at this point in his career in a more-than-likely losing effort?

correct

I knew I was wasting my time typing that sentence but I couldn't stop myself.

Originally Posted by Zilla

Originally Posted by Drago

Originally Posted by salty trunks

Then you must not believe why David Haye is fighting either. Just one year ago Evander Holyfield showed more stuff in fighting Valuev than David Haye did.


Botha Holyfield is actually a decent scrap. Noone will be running and both guys have good fighting hearts. I would certainly rather watch this fight than suffer through Vitali K fighting Kevin Johnson.

i agree

holyfield botha is a shit fight but i would watch it over the recent wlad vitali snoozefests

So you would rather watch two guys with diminished skills bash each other's heads in than a competent HW at the top of his game dominate another HW, who, even though mediocre, is still better than Holyfield or Botha at this point in his career in a more-than-likely losing effort?

Kevin Johnson is not better than 46 year old Holyfield. Holyfield actually throws punches back.

Your overating Vitali sir.

Originally Posted by Zilla

I knew I was wasting my time typing that sentence but I couldn't stop myself.

ha ha i couldnt help with that reply either brotha

Why? -because he can!

He needs the cash, supposodly 80,000 people are waiting to go watch it at the arena and prob 5 times that on PPV. The people obviously want it (not all, but enough to make it worthwhile)

Plus Holyfield obviously thinks he's still got it, judging by his performance against Valuev where he did as much as Haye, but didn't get the win, he clearly has enough in the tank to be mixing with the poor quality heavyweights around at the minute.

Fair play to the guy, still going after all these years, I'll be happy if I reach his age and I've got the conditioning to go 12 rounds with anyone, let alone a pro fighter, let alone a world title holder (be it mickey mouse or not)

With the benefit of hindsight,I'd bet my house on an AARP collecting Holyfield fighting sterner and doing better vs Vitali than the Kevin Johnson we saw......Holyfield vs Botha is one that your first reaction is swearing that they had already mixed it up,at least 10,12 years ago.Honestly the trinket is shit and the fighters past it...but not exactly .....hesitate to say this.....a completely crap styles match up

Originally Posted by 0james0

Why? -because he can!

He needs the cash, supposodly 80,000 people are waiting to go watch it at the arena and prob 5 times that on PPV. The people obviously want it (not all, but enough to make it worthwhile)

Plus Holyfield obviously thinks he's still got it, judging by his performance against Valuev where he did as much as Haye, but didn't get the win, he clearly has enough in the tank to be mixing with the poor quality heavyweights around at the minute.

Fair play to the guy, still going after all these years, I'll be happy if I reach his age and I've got the conditioning to go 12 rounds with anyone, let alone a pro fighter, let alone a world title holder (be it mickey mouse or not)

That's a good post. Hard to argue againsed that as a fan who thinks he should have hung them up quite some time ago.

I thought the Valuev performance was perfect to retire on.......should he have got the nod (which I think he deserved 100%) and I think he might have just considered stopping. Who knows. Good post though.