Thread: Canada's Healthcare Did not help UFC Star

"They couldn't do nothing for me," he said Wednesday. "It was like I was in a Third World country. ... I'm just stating the facts here, and that's the facts. If I had to choose between getting care in Canada or in the United States, I definitely want to be in the United States."

UFC's Lesnar berates Canadian health care as Third World - thestar.com

I thought this was interesting. It could be in the MMA section, but I"m sure some people here might like to debate if the US should socialized it's health care system.

I'm not saying there aren't any problems with Canadian health care, because there certainly are, but what makes Brock fucking Lesnar qualified to speak about it? Of course a multi-millionaire is going to get better treatment by paying for it, but Canada's system isn't set up to benefit the upper crust, it's geared towards helping everyone, regardless of class or status.

He had a bad experience in one hospital (something which hasn't been verified by anyone other than him) and he feels like that allows him to deride the entire system? What about the American doctors who misdiagnosed him for a year? I'm far from a nationalist as anyone who knows anything about me will tell you, but our healthcare system is one of the reasons we are typically ranked among the best countries in the world to live (and usually significantly ahead of the United States).

(Lyle) (Canada)......you guys ....at least it wasn't anyone important saying that, just some roided up Neo-Nazi (with a big black dick tattooed on his chest and a gorrila skull with spikes sticking out of it on his back) ex-pro wrestler....it may as well have been Jesse Ventura.

It is funny to me though..."Lesnar no like Canada hospital....Canada hospital make Lesnar feel bad...Lesnar like American hospital, American hospital good"...hahaha

Originally Posted by Lyle

(Lyle) (Canada)......you guys ....at least it wasn't anyone important saying that, just some roided up Neo-Nazi (with a big black dick tattooed on his chest and a gorrila skull with spikes sticking out of it on his back) ex-pro wrestler....it may as well have been Jesse Ventura.

It is funny to me though..."Lesnar no like Canada hospital....Canada hospital make Lesnar feel bad...Lesnar like American hospital, American hospital good"...hahaha

Ha ha ha, thanks for making me laugh for the day.

haha this is funny... I had a similar conversation with the brother of a friend about the healthcare system in germany, he felt it was bad because his dad ended up in the hospital with a heart attack or something( they saved him) yet he felt the care wasn't as good as it should be or something...yet germany has lower infant mortality rates, and longer life expectancy rates than the us yet he still wanted to argue that their system sucked because I guess it wasn't "cuddly" enough or whatever the hell he was going for.

America's healthcare system isn't horrible and I doubt any of the ones in Europe are horrible or even Canada's but the deal is this....#1 just giving American's "free healthcare" much like "free lunches" or "welfare" ain't going to solve the problems in the long run because the poor people, the people who don't have health insurance through their jobs (ie the Democrats main group of thugs...I mean constituants the SEIU [Service Employees International Union]) don't understand that health insurance IS expensive (which is why they don't have any) and just letting the government take care of it will not do anything but what's going on right now which is everyone pushing the price on to the people who can afford it ie tax payers and those people that have health insurance #2 Insurance providers are hindered by laws that create tons of red tape that eat up man hours that make the process more tedious and expensive.

It might be odd to read this in one of my posts, but this would be an easier fix if people took the politics out of it and just focused on a fucking solution. This is a "we need to work together" kind of fix and right now that shit just ain't going to happen because previously the Republicans overplayed their hand and now the Democrats have overplayed theirs and the citizens keep getting shat on.

....but I got my insurance b*tches !!!

Some of these comments from the Canadians are funny from that link I posted in the 1st post.

It's amazing how deluded Canadians are. The things we believe is frightning. Nothing will change the fact that when the wealthy, highly educated, wordly people everywhere, get sick, they sure as hell don't come here ,or any other socialist state,they go to the USA.You can argue to your blue in the face as which payment method is better but in quality of care there is no comparison.The best in the world, for funding, are countries like Germany that have private and public care,thats why Quebec adopted it.Unfortuntely we aren't even allowed to discuss it. Hell, when Chretien's God daughter got sick he immediately packed her off to the states.One side effect of the litigation crazy USA is that the hospitals cross every T and dot every I to avoid being sued.Here in Canada it's not only tough to find a doctor to see it's almost impossible to find one that isn't under budgetary constraints.As for costs, the overwhelming taxes we pay for our FREE health care more than makes up for the Americans mounthly payments.B

Like that woman that was on the US news a while ago, I tell any American that will listen to keep away from our health system. How can ours be the best when the best medical minds go south because they can't make $ here? Oh yeah, our system is great alright. I had to wait 18 months for surgery, my family Dr. has a 3 month waiting list, emergency units have an 8hr wait if you're lucky, MRIs have to wait 3-6 months. OK, you people keep on looking at the truth with your eyes closed, just hoping things are fine. Me, I live with my eyes open and can see things for as they are. Like I said, the only thing about our health system is that everyone recieves crappy service for non-life threatening procedures. And to the fools that suggested I go south for treatments, good idea. After my experience with my 18 month wait, I will be US bound in the future. Just like my shopping trips I take.

Originally Posted by Lyle

America's healthcare system isn't horrible and I doubt any of the ones in Europe are horrible or even Canada's but the deal is this....#1 just giving American's "free healthcare" much like "free lunches" or "welfare" ain't going to solve the problems in the long run because the poor people, the people who don't have health insurance through their jobs (ie the Democrats main group of thugs...I mean constituants the SEIU [Service Employees International Union]) don't understand that health insurance IS expensive (which is why they don't have any) and just letting the government take care of it will not do anything but what's going on right now which is everyone pushing the price on to the people who can afford it ie tax payers and those people that have health insurance #2 Insurance providers are hindered by laws that create tons of red tape that eat up man hours that make the process more tedious and expensive.

It might be odd to read this in one of my posts, but this would be an easier fix if people took the politics out of it and just focused on a fucking solution. This is a "we need to work together" kind of fix and right now that shit just ain't going to happen because previously the Republicans overplayed their hand and now the Democrats have overplayed theirs and the citizens keep getting shat on.

....but I got my insurance b*tches !!!

Health insurance needn't be expensive though, Lyle. In Korea you pay the equivalent of 50 bucks a month which is then matched by your employer. It covers everything, though you will need to contribute a minimal amount extra in case of serious surgery. In fact I am not even bothering with that as I work freelance. Instead, I use my wifes insurance as the insurance here allows you to cover for one dependant extra at no added cost. So between us we are are fully covered for about 50 dollars a month.

The problem with America is that the health care system has become a free for all with the insurance companies having become so huge and making too much money. Instead of a humanitarian system that aims to protect all, you have this beast that exists to make as much money as possible. Ideally, I would like to see a British style system everywhere as it is open to all and funded by the taxpayer. Private insurance companies should really have no place at the centre of a national health care system.

#1 You're right Health Care SHOULDN'T be expensive (well as expensive as it is) but if the Democrats get their way they will look out for the people whose votes they want (the poor, illegal immigrants, college students, and solidifying their partnership with the SEIU) AND by "nationalizing" Healthcare they would create more Government jobs and more Government Unions feeding the beast of Democrat politics.

#2 As private companies in a capitalist system (well supposedly capitalist system) your job is to make money. Insurance companies get burned by customers and like any other company they try to negate that loss by passing the buck to other customers. Hospitals pass the buck to insurance companies too and Hospitals pass the buck to people that use hospitals too because Little Miss Welfare Queen comes in and pops out a few more checks....I mean "babies" and skips on the bill someone has to pay it and that someone is us.

The major issues with the Health Insurance companies is that they can cancel care if you're too sick or continuously sick....I think that's wrong. Insurance is best described as a gamble and that is like betting on black, it landing on red and you taking your bet off the table before the winner can rake it in. Also COBRA policies only last so long, if employers are going to provide healthcare then employees need the choice to keep that plan if they get fired or what have you, now a days you just get the boot. Also the paperwork is always different it burns up man hours and that in the end costs tons of money.

Healthcare isn't a simple fix, but it's simpler than Washington makes it seem. Because one side wants to watch out for the Drug Companies and one side wants to watch out for the Insurance groups and while that's goin gon nobody is watching after the citizens. While I'm at it, I love the private healthcare system.....and if a government system could run like this then fine but I KNOW 100% FOR CERTAIN it not so much can't but WON'T and that's one of the reasons I'm against this current healthcare bill.

Also Democrats can't do these 2 things to sell their bill

#1 You can't say "Healthcare is bankrupting the nation"....last time I checked nobody in DC cared about any kind of budget

#2 You can't have told us FOREVER "Early detection is a must" and then come back and say "well only for certain types of cancers"...that's bullshit AND it will cost lives. That part right there is tantamount to negligent homicide, I know PLENTY of people who wouldn't be here if not for early testing

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

"They couldn't do nothing for me," he said Wednesday. "It was like I was in a Third World country. ... I'm just stating the facts here, and that's the facts. If I had to choose between getting care in Canada or in the United States, I definitely want to be in the United States."

UFC's Lesnar berates Canadian health care as Third World - thestar.com

I thought this was interesting. It could be in the MMA section, but I"m sure some people here might like to debate if the US should socialized it's health care system.

They obviously didn't give Lesnar the same quality of steroids that he gets in the US. I guess anything that doesn't pamper to his ego is 3rd world, although I'd like for him to have to go to Sierra Leone for medical treatment to really see what 3rd World health care is like.

Actually, we have one of the best healthcare system in the world, it has flaws, sure, but we have something damn good: You break a leg? just go to the hospital, if you're Canadian and can show your card, it's free buddy. In the us how much it is for a broken leg? Last time I looked, it could go as far as 25 000$ depending of the states and a surgery is... well, beyond imagination. With no insurances here, you have the same treatments as anybody. Sure, if you have some special insurances you can go to private clinics and it goes faster, better service etc but bottom line is: without insurances, you can have the adequate treatment to fix your problem, even a very important surgery. When my brother had a cranial trauma and almost died, he had one of the greatest specialist in Canada upon his case, we had no special insurances for that matter. I think it's great.
Our biggest problems is that for some services, the waiting time can be very long, not for every single one of them but for a couple. That's why we don't have THE best but one of the best. I think that a similar system could work damn well in the US, if you could afford to pay more than 700 billions for fake WMD, you can sure afford this. The lobby of private clinics and insurance will be terrible but it could work, most definitely, it would just have to be adapted to your legislation but after a few tweaks it should work just fine. The problem in fact is not the idea to put such healthcare but the way Obama wants to design it that is wrong.

Meh I went into the hospital emerg. a while back with a concussion and inside of an hr I was in a Catscan, had seen neurosurgeon and was on my way home all checked out. Now if I was there with the sniffles, or a bent finger I woulda been there longer. Our system caters to everyone, but by priority of risk. Chest pains, head injuries and serious trauma get to the front of the line. Whining giant roided out UFC freaks can take their number like everyone else.

Brock "The Voice of America" Lesnar

Ug, I am against sweeping healthcare reform in America, as a true liberal the proposed system is too full of holes and will not meet the needs of the common man.

The problem with insurance is that is doesn't follow the laws of supply and demand which means it can be defined as a market failure. I have my insurance at work and it has gone up 1000% since I started working here 6 years ago. The reason for the increase? One guy at my work used it for chemo. Do I think that it would be in a better state as government provided? No I don't, but at the same time something needs to be regulated so that at the very least insurance follows the rules of capitalism. I don't believe tort reform is the be all end all answer it is in fact a very small piece of the pie.