Thread: Hatton splits from Lee Beard

Apparently, Hatton has split from Lee Beard because he left training Matthew Hatton, in order to train Joan Guzman.

Ricky Hatton Dumps Lee Beard, Wants New Trainer - Boxing News

It would be good if Jimmy could illuminate more on this.

Anyway what do you think of it as a career move if it is true & how should Hatton go with now?

....Fenech or if he's really hurting Rooney

Originally Posted by Lyle

....Fenech or if he's really hurting Rooney

I agree Fenech would be a good choice. I think Rooney also isn't a bad choice, although if Floyd Sr couldn't get him to move his head, I don't see how anyone else can.

I personally think he should go with someone like Dan Birmingham, I think he could find something to work with Hatton's existing style.

Roach

He doesnt overhaul you like Sr. He just concentrates of what you have. All those interviews means nothing anyway Hatton should not take it personally and get Roach.

Beard is just a yes man in my eyes anyway, so I'm glad he is out. Rooney would be a fun partnership, but I have a hard time seeing that come off. Fenech was a pretty good suggestion from Lyle too.

I would love to see Billy Graham back in the fold, but that is obviously never going to happen with too much having passed in recent years. Hatton was always a pretty good boxer prior to Tsyzu, it's a shame he has resorted to hit and hold mode ever since. At 31 and currently looking like Mr Blobby, I just hope he gets through the next fight okay. It's a shame that Hatton has never looked after himself between fights. It's probably taken half a decade off of his career.

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Roach

He doesnt overhaul you like Sr. He just concentrates of what you have. All those interviews means nothing anyway Hatton should not take it personally and get Roach.

Screw that. I can think of nothing worse than being trained by that ginger, drooling goon. Hatton going to Roach would be like Hopkins, Toney and Tyson going to him. An ageing fighter pointlessly turning to a cash hungry coach who really has nothing to offer.

Roach is a one trick pony, he is just lucky that his trick is Manny Pacquiao. Drugs probably help too.

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Roach

He doesnt overhaul you like Sr. He just concentrates of what you have. All those interviews means nothing anyway Hatton should not take it personally and get Roach.

Screw that. I can think of nothing worse than being trained by that ginger, drooling goon. Hatton going to Roach would be like Hopkins, Toney and Tyson going to him. An ageing fighter pointlessly turning to a cash hungry coach who really has nothing to offer.

Roach is a one trick pony, he is just lucky that his trick is Manny Pacquiao. Drugs probably help too.

I think it's a bit severe there. Every fighters that went on with Roach did improve significantly, except perhaps Tyson who stayed the same but Tyson being Tyson, nobody could have done anything for that. I still rate Roach as the most able coach at the moment despite his part time loud mouth (which I think is mostly to catch fire instead of his boxers but it is debatable).
Back on Topic, a good coach for Hatton would be Pat Burns or Shields I think. If he could go German, training with Uli Wegner could be excellent as one of the first thing he would learn would be to keep his hands up... which is good for a guy unable to move head.

Back to Floyd Senior, at least 24/7 would then be worth watching.

Originally Posted by JazMerkin

Apparently, Hatton has split from Lee Beard because he left training Matthew Hatton, in order to train Joan Guzman.

Ricky Hatton Dumps Lee Beard, Wants New Trainer - Boxing News

t would be good if Jimmy could illuminate more on this.

Anyway what do you think of it as a career move if it is true & how should Hatton go with now?

Hmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

Ok, well this is a tough one because I know of two sides to this tale. I know Paul Speak was telling me that there was a slight rift with Lee and maybe he had become a little too big for his boots. I know Paul and Lee fell out a couple of times, but then again, Billy hated Speakie, so nothing new there. I was also told that this was about money, of which I can believe.

I always found Lee to be very technically astute, and always looking out for Ricky's well-being. Also, he wouldnt train Rick unless he felt Ricky was going to listen to him and give it 100%, I'm not sure he felt either was going to be the case. I know Lee had text Rick whilst he was away on a few occasions asking him whether or not he would be training him once he got back. By all accounts, he never even received any replies back.

Bearing in mind,like I said last week about Lee going to train Guzman after a massive recommendation from Tim Coleman, this left Lee two options. He was also scouted by a fighter called Mendes, who is apparently a hot prospect, but I'm not sure who he is to be honest, I'm guessing he's fighting out of the States though.

The bottom line is that if Lee was going to train Ricky then he would stay in the UK and train Richard and Matthew. If he didnt get the Rick gig, then he'd move to the states and train Coleman, Guzman and Mendes. He wasnt prepared to stay in the UK just to train Matthew when his name is becoming hot stuff on the other side of the pond. Lee Beard, although not a household name really is a brilliant trainer, and to be fair, the fighters he has had a full camp with have yet to be beaten. I've watched Lee and Billy train many times, and Lee is head and shoulders above Billy in every area as far as I'm concerned. Very technical, reads the game very, very well, and most importantly, very quickly identifies a fighters strengths and weaknessess. He also really cares about his fighters.

I think this is a very bad move letting Lee go. Bob Shannon, like quoted in that article, was the man they were looking to train Ricky.

The more I hear, the more I dont want Ricky to fight again. And getting rid of Lee is the final nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.

But hey,what do I know ?

cool update Jimmy

Smart move from Lee IMHO.... get out before your the scapegoat son.

Originally Posted by Nameless

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Roach

He doesnt overhaul you like Sr. He just concentrates of what you have. All those interviews means nothing anyway Hatton should not take it personally and get Roach.

Screw that. I can think of nothing worse than being trained by that ginger, drooling goon. Hatton going to Roach would be like Hopkins, Toney and Tyson going to him. An ageing fighter pointlessly turning to a cash hungry coach who really has nothing to offer.

Roach is a one trick pony, he is just lucky that his trick is Manny Pacquiao. Drugs probably help too.

I think it's a bit severe there. Every fighters that went on with Roach did improve significantly, except perhaps Tyson who stayed the same but Tyson being Tyson, nobody could have done anything for that. I still rate Roach as the most able coach at the moment despite his part time loud mouth (which I think is mostly to catch fire instead of his boxers but it is debatable).
Back on Topic, a good coach for Hatton would be Pat Burns or Shields I think. If he could go German, training with Uli Wegner could be excellent as one of the first thing he would learn would be to keep his hands up... which is good for a guy unable to move head.

Part rant, part serious on my part there.

I don't think Roach had the time to have an impact with Hopkins and you can't teach an old dog like that many new tricks. Roach allowed Toney to come in progressively heavier and heavier which I thought was disgusting. He seemed to allow Tyson to cut corners in preparation too. A good trainer wouldn't be allowing fighters to get in the ring having not done the roadwork. Roach is good at what he does, but is overrated by those who see him as the messiah.

Surprised Beard is that highly thought of. I always thought he was about 1 step up from TrainerMonkey in the Hatton camp.

In fact TM is probably expecting the call from Hatton.

Originally Posted by Bomp

Back to Floyd Senior, at least 24/7 would then be worth watching.

Floyd Snr was the biggest mistake Ray Hatton ever made. He was in it for the cool million he received and nothing more in my opinion, and many others. Floyd Snr even refused to train Ricky on the pads in prep for Manny as he said that he doesnt do 'Southpaw' pad-work.

Originally Posted by miles

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Roach

He doesnt overhaul you like Sr. He just concentrates of what you have. All those interviews means nothing anyway Hatton should not take it personally and get Roach.

Screw that. I can think of nothing worse than being trained by that ginger, drooling goon. Hatton going to Roach would be like Hopkins, Toney and Tyson going to him. An ageing fighter pointlessly turning to a cash hungry coach who really has nothing to offer.

Roach is a one trick pony, he is just lucky that his trick is Manny Pacquiao. Drugs probably help too.

Virgill Hill is a Roach product and Amir khan became a belt holder after it appears that presscott shattered his dreams.

What I want to know is why the hell is Guzman using Lee beard?