Thread: Rewatched Cotto vs Pac

Just re-watched this fight around 10 mins ago and I remember watching the first two rounds and thinking wow cotto could win this, this was the same thought I had the first time i watched it. He had the jab going and was being quite effective with his power shots. But it all came down to Pac could handle cottos shots but cotto couldnt take pacs all night.

I think the theory everyone has had ever since Pac was even rumoured to fight hatton early last yr was that pac had the style to beat anyone but would not carry his speed or power up in weight and could not take punishment at a higher weight. Proven wrong in every sense. I was one who picked Cotto to stop Pac but this was an impressive performance none the less. Just to watch somebody punch the fight out of cotto was just something to be witnessed, even with Margarito cotto tried to fight back but Cotto was forced to retreat and dance for half the fight trying to survive. Clottey is in trouble, I had thought Clottey may be a tough fight for pac but now I have massive doubts. Pac will throw all night, he wont miss much and he will hit you 5 times to your 1 and those punches are way to strong to absorb all night.

Clottey's defence which is very good, might turn out to be his weakness against Pac. He just cannot afford to cover up like a tortoise because Manny will just keep on throwing a hundred punches a round. He can't win like that, so IMO he really needs to be more offensive minded and try to hurt Manny somehow. That will involve more risk of getting hurt himself, but if he wants to win the fight it needs to be done. He will be much bigger and stronger than Manny, but he probably won't be able to impose it. I just can't see him changing all the habits of a lifetime to fight Manny Pac.

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Originally Posted by miles

Clottey's defence which is very good, might turn out to be his weakness against Pac. He just cannot afford to cover up like a tortoise because Manny will just keep on throwing a hundred punches a round. He can't win like that, so IMO he really needs to be more offensive minded and try to hurt Manny somehow. That will involve more risk of getting hurt himself, but if he wants to win the fight it needs to be done. He will be much bigger and stronger than Manny, but he probably won't be able to impose it. I just can't see him changing all the habits of a lifetime to fight Manny Pac.

True, unless hes been training, blocking side shots with the elbows and fireing straight off the blocks.

Originally Posted by ross

Thats right, praise the dirty little cheater

Im not a pac fan just giving him his dues on that fight, whether or not he took steroids or whatever it was an impressive performance.

He's awesome isn't he! At the time I was truly amazed, both against ODLH and Cotto.

That's why I'm seriously gutted about the PED thing. Whether it's true or not I feel like we've been robbed of something special.

Originally Posted by Conrad

He's awesome isn't he! At the time I was truly amazed, both against ODLH and Cotto.

That's why I'm seriously gutted about the PED thing. Whether it's true or not I feel like we've been robbed of something special.

The PED Pac is on is called A-Side Meth. A-side Meth can make you impervious to .38 and .45 caliber bullets. This drug was used by the Flip military to fight against the American troops that's why Flip people whether on the battlefield of war or inside a boxing ring can keep on coming forward. This drug is only exclusive to the Phillipines, Pacquiao's home country.

This is according to Roger and Floyd Sr. Pretty cool eh?

Had you of told me 2years ago that cotto would get beat at 147 by a featherweight i would of laughed so hard i probably wouldnt be here today

I just cannot fathom how manny pacquiao mantains his speed at this level and yet punches like a middleweight

Originally Posted by hattonthehammer

Had you of told me 2years ago that cotto would get beat at 147 by a featherweight i would of laughed so hard i probably wouldnt be here today

I just cannot fathom how manny pacquiao mantains his speed at this level and yet punches like a middleweight

PED

Clottey is too slow to get to Pac and he's not good enough of a boxer to outbox Pac either.

Clottey is second best to Pac in pretty much every aspect of the game but he can do something Pac cant - Fight dirty.

If he follows the blueprint set by Sanchez it shows how an inferior fighter can get a better fighter off his game. Pac didnt win the fight with Sanchez so if Clottey wants to avoid what seems like an inevitable defeat he needs to bend the rules abit and once Pac is out of his stride he can get to work.

The more I study Clottey the more I am leaning towards a stoppage. Clottey's defense is all wrong against Pac. Pac feasts well on guys who are easy to find. Clottey is the epitome of a stationary target. Clottey doesn't push himself or go for broke and that is what he has to do. Clottey has to impose his size but he never does. There is no advantage in being bigger if you don't impose it. In fact it will be a disadvantage because he will be a bigger target. Against Cotto when the heat was on Clottey was looking for a way out. He wanted to get out of the heated moments. Against Pac he will have many more heated moments and Pac won't be there as often as Cotto so Clottey's heart will be overly tested and he will get overly frustrated. Pac may even hurt Clottey but I will say he peppers Clottey mostly en route to a De La Hoya-like TKO. Pac TKO Clottey around 10.

Cotto did well but really was damaged goods, his punch resistance was shot after Marg. He barely survived Clottey and had to do the same retreating. A pre-version of Cotto would have beaten Cotto with ease. The uppercut punch Pac put cotto down was very good. I too was finally convinced Pac was a great fighter, until the allegations.

Clottey might show 20 pounds heavier come fight night. That only means one thing.


He's a big target. He will eat lots of punches that he won't be able to see. They're gonna come too fast from weird angles. I can picture Clottey's face now if it goes to decision...


Lasagna with teeth.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Clottey is too slow to get to Pac and he's not good enough of a boxer to outbox Pac either.

Clottey showed better handspeed and boxing skills than Cotto, I don't think those will be the problem for him. IMO it will be his inability to open up when someone is throwing punches at him that will be his undoing.