Thread: question about martinez

How the hell did margarito knock this dude out I mean he got hit by pavlik, took most of the punches just fine, got hit by a middleweight williams didn't seem to bothered, cintron known for having power hit him clean too...was he just a way different fighter 8 years ago, inexperienced, or an off night or god knows nothing is to low for marg....don't feel like looking for the fight at the moment on youtube or somewhere...

Originally Posted by armin

How the hell did margarito knock this dude out I mean he got hit by pavlik, took most of the punches just fine, got hit by a middleweight williams didn't seem to bothered, cintron known for having power hit him clean too...was he just a way different fighter 8 years ago, inexperienced, or an off night or god knows nothing is to low for marg....don't feel like looking for the fight at the moment on youtube or somewhere...

Well personally thats one of the reason's i thought Kelly Pavlik would win, but i underrated Sergio Martinez. He has improved and that was at Welterweight in 2000, if i was Sergio Martinez i'd have a rematch at 154 where Antonio Margarito isn't as effective.

Margarito won because he swarmed Martinez's body early. Martinez had not fully developed his footwork yet. It really is that simple.

Screw marg tho I hope no credible fighter gets in the ring with him....altho I could see why martinez would want to for the redemption factor.

Well I guess that answers my question killer, because I was dumbfounded for a minute...lol

Originally Posted by armin

Screw marg tho I hope no credible fighter gets in the ring with him....altho I could see why martinez would want to for the redemption factor.

Yea i agree im not saying Sergio Martinez needs the fight, far from it actually. The world is his oyster at the moment, but im just saying if he wanted redemtpion. Then at 154 where Antonio Margarito has struggled in the past, would be the best bet for Sergio Martinez.

Originally Posted by armin

Well I guess that answers my question killer, because I was dumbfounded for a minute...lol

Yeah, Pavlik and Margarito are both swarmers but their punches are very different, Pavlik is much stronger, but Margarito is much better at cutting off the ring.

Volume,maturity,styles.And I dont think Margarito has ever met a punch he didnt mind getting hit in the face with to land his own.

Maybe margarito had loaded gloves back then also. Who the fukk nos. hope Martinez does fight him again so he can wip that cheating mutherfukkers ass

Scary, but now that I think about it, I could really see Margarito-Martinez getting some attention. For me it would be a chance for Martinez to avenge him only loss.

Margarito would take any fight right now, though. He is just about zero reward. I want Martinez to defend the title once before taking on Williams in Atlantic City, where he was well receive Saturday!

Oh and the first Marg fight?? Martinez had only been fighting for about 4-5 years. Just shows how tough he is overall! How the hell did he get thrown in there with the Lions that early?

Martinez really did not have an amateur career. At this point in his career, he was still learning while on the job.

Originally Posted by paddy448

Maybe margarito had loaded gloves back then also. Who the fukk nos. hope Martinez does fight him again so he can wip that cheating mutherfukkers ass

Exactley what I thought of. Margarito probably had bricks in his hands for this fight as well. Either way I would like to see a rematch with Pavlik or Margarito.

It was a long time ago Martinez a different fighter then...Though he has always had the hands down style...If Pavlik was any quicker Martinez would have gotten caught more...Possibly KO'd...There were a few shots that he showed he felt....He stopped his showboating ASAP..Until Kelly was cut on the right eye...

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

It was a long time ago Martinez a different fighter then...Though he has always had the hands down style...If Pavlik was any quicker Martinez would have gotten caught more...Possibly KO'd...There were a few shots that he showed he felt....He stopped his showboating ASAP..Until Kelly was cut on the right eye...

Yep definately 3 acts in that fight

ACT I. Martinez uses his speed and lateral movement to potshot and control

ACT II. Pavlik counters jab over jab and lands a few strong rights.

ACT III. A cut, blinded, and tired Pavlik has nothing left to retaliate with, but hangs in for the duration, Martinez takes is back under control.

Daxx, how much credit do you Martinez for this win?

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

It was a long time ago Martinez a different fighter then...Though he has always had the hands down style...If Pavlik was any quicker Martinez would have gotten caught more...Possibly KO'd...There were a few shots that he showed he felt....He stopped his showboating ASAP..Until Kelly was cut on the right eye...

Yep definately 3 acts in that fight

ACT I. Martinez uses his speed and lateral movement to potshot and control

ACT II. Pavlik counters jab over jab and lands a few strong rights.

ACT III. A cut, blinded, and tired Pavlik has nothing left to retaliate with, but hangs in for the duration, Martinez takes is back under control.

Daxx, how much credit do you Martinez for this win?

TBH I am not sure...I mean shit how can you not give a guy his deserved credit for winning the MW championship at a weight class not truly his but on the other hand....you have to think

What IF the cut did not happen?
What IF Pavlik had not been so inactive and fighting only his mandatories over the last year?
Was this the BEST version of Kelly?

I am tough on fighters when it comes to big wins who don't have a really impressive past resume.....I give them more credit for the big win after I see what they do next....If they rematch and Martinez wins again then no way not to say...Kelly had an off night and Martinez had a great one....

The middle rounds Martinez seemed to be baffled after Pavlik seemed to figure him out....Martinez had no plan B (Neither did Pavlik but)

Great win for Martinez but is he really nothing more then just speedy?