Thread: Donaire v. Montiel

There was a simple reason why montiel got clocked: He didn't move his head when he was punching. I'm sure you have all seen the video. Wide open, he wings a right hand, lands a glancing blow, and then stands there to be countered.
Something that I like to say a lot, and have said over and over, is that, in every element of your training you need to practice what you do after throwing punches. When you throw a right hand and the opponentgets outside of it, you need to get low. If he slips outside your right hand, and doesn't counter with a right, it has to be a left hook, and you need to get under it. These are things you train yourself to do, not only in sparring but in working the mitts and on the bags.
Another thing is moving your head when you punch, and I don't mean that Tyson/D'Amato nonsense of punching then wagging your head side-to-side four inches in either direction. What I mean is moving your head with your body. Properly thrown, after a right hand, the right shoulder protects your skull area from a left hook, and your head is out of the way of right hand counters. Take a look at Toney/McCallum 1 and 2, and watch Toney avoid counters to his right hand.

Good post grey, I'm one of the biggest culprits of this. I throw shots and leave my head in the same place so a lot of the time, I land 1 shot and get hit with two. I've been practicing a lot in shadow boxing of ways to keep out of the way of shots after I throw one. I know I need to be quicker on my feet and move in and out better because sometimes I just lean back to try and miss a punch and get in alll types of trouble.

No bullshit grey. I didnt watch the fight, but i watched a clip with my brother when he brought it up to me, and i pointed out the exact same thing to him.

My exact sentiments were..Why would you wing a slow arm punch of a right hand like that? It was basically the equivalent of someone pawing a jab and getting knocked out with a straight right up the pike. He gave Donaire the wicked highlight knockout by throwing his right hand with questionable technique. By questionable i mean bad.

I try to move three times for every single punch that I through...

Once to set it up... whether that be moving into position or responding to a punch and setting up the counter, the second movement is the punch itself and then the third part I'm either looking at changing my angle for another punch or moving off and getting out.

All depends on the situatuion.

I'd be lying if I said I did this every time/always picked the best option... but that is my intention.

The thing is, I've seen other fighter's throw that right successfully, with the same technique as Montiel.

I think it was Roy Jones

***Edit***

Roy Jones did it while the other guy was moving left, away from center. Roy would shoot the right hand almost as a send off.

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

The thing is, I've seen other fighter's throw that right successfully, with the same technique as Montiel.

I think it was Roy Jones

no there was something wrong with the punch. it wouldnt have squished a fly.

Originally Posted by southpawed

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

The thing is, I've seen other fighter's throw that right successfully, with the same technique as Montiel.

I think it was Roy Jones

no there was something wrong with the punch. it wouldnt have squished a fly.

Sorry, yeah just watched a vid again.
He threw the same punch 3 or 4 times before in that fight but that last one was a bit... Loopy?

It happened so fast. They both landed punches almost at the same time.

Montiel landed his right, but Donaire kinda rotated his turso and head away from it. Viewing the replay, Montiel indeed fail to move his head right away after he threw his right hand. Like Ted Atlas always say, "if you don't move your head, somebody will move it for ya".

Montiel could have at least bit his mouthpiece hard and tightened his neck. That would have help him.

Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

It happened so fast. They both landed punches almost at the same time.

Landed at almost the same time. Thats because Donaire picked up on the telegraph and timed a counter left hook when Montiels loop made contact.