Thread: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

BS.com is saying Kuntcz and company want the fight with JMM at 145. Yet another disadvantage for a pacman fighter.

We all saw how well JMM did with the extra weight agains Floyd....what in the FFFFFFFFFF are we to expect if JMM bloats in at 145 against pacman?

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

Originally Posted by MMASUX

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

Pacquiao fans say that Pacquiao is so impressive for fighting bigger people at 147 pounds and claiming to the heavens that he's not a natural 147 pounder so it's why it impresses them. But when he is asked to move down to 140 it's too big a step for him to have to take. Either he is a Welterweight or he isn't. If he isn't a natural welterweight then he can make 140, if he is, then he can't, but you can't have it both ways by saying "He is so impressive for beating 147 pounders when that isn't his natural weight...but he isn't small enough for 140." Not big enough for 147 but not small enough for 140 is sort of meh.

Originally Posted by MMASUX

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

So JMM can come in with less power and everythig is hunk-a-dory? So Pac can also stop being a pussy and not make opponents fight at designated catch weights, I will shut up if Pac fights Martinez with the same logic you are using in this post. I kind of agree with you but it seems to not apply when Pac is fighting the bigger man...... Why is that ?

Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing

Originally Posted by MMASUX

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

So JMM can come in with less power and everythig is hunk-a-dory? So Pac can also stop being a pussy and not make opponents fight at designated catch weights, I will shut up if Pac fights Martinez with the same logic you are using in this post. I kind of agree with you but it seems to not apply when Pac is fighting the bigger man...... Why is that ?

I agree Pac is not a legit WW, he's coming in around 145 for his fights, so making 140 shouldn't be a problem. I just don't see him agreeing to come in at anything lower than 140, not going to happen. 140 would be ideal, but it actually happening is another. JMM is one of my favorite fighters and i hope he gets the third fight with Pac, i'm hoping it's not at 147 cause then it would be another BS bloated/weight drained Pac opponent. I don't agree with it, i'm just calling it how i see it playing out.

Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

Originally Posted by miles

Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

I thought you were against catchweights? So shouldn't JMM challenge Pac at the full WW limit? I remember you being critical of Pac fighting Cotto at 145, saying Pac shouldn't be weight draining fighters. So shouldn't the same standard be held for JMM on not trying to weight drain Pac?

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Originally Posted by miles

Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

I thought you were against catchweights? So shouldn't JMM challenge Pac at the full WW limit? I remember you being critical of Pac fighting Cotto at 145, saying Pac shouldn't be weight draining fighters. So shouldn't the same standard be held for JMM on not trying to weight drain Pac?

140 is a legitimate weight class.

Manny is not a full WW as evidenced by his weigh ins and what his team says and Marquez is a much smaller LW. Are you telling me that you think Manny would be weight drained coming in at 140? Well, what about it also seeing Marquez fight an entire division outside his current division?

It isn't fair to have Manny come down to 135 and it isn't fair to expect Marquez to become a fully fledged WW.

140 makes complete sense.

Marquez is brave (or maybe even lazy?) if he accepts anything above 140.

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

Originally Posted by brucelee

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

Oh right so when Cotto defended his belt at 145 for Pacquiao's sake, that was part of the same logic was it?

Personally I'd rather this fight not happen at all.

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Originally Posted by brucelee

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

Oh right so when Cotto defended his belt at 145 for Pacquiao's sake, that was part of the same logic was it?

Personally I'd rather this fight not happen at all.

Could be...

Pac's the bigger draw than Cotto.

Cotto wanted to fight Pac more.

Pac does not need Cotto that time. Besides, Cotto was the biggest risk Pac had during that time. And indeed Cotto proved to be too strong for Pac. Remember what happened to Pac after that fight?

imo, 144lbs should be the highest this fight should be made if its going to be at a catchweight. it's the same weight floyd-jmm agreed to when they fought although floyd didn't bother making weight. the lower the weight the more interest this fight is going to generate with the thinking that marquez will be more competitive. i would love to see this fight at 140lbs coz i remeber roach saying manny can still comfortably make the jr. welterweight limit. i don't know though if it's going to be for manny's welterweight belt then it would look ridiculous if will be at any weight lower than 142lbs.

Originally Posted by brucelee

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

bruce, though it's true manny has the stature to demand what weight they should fight at, it is to their best interest financial-wise and legacy-wise to give in to a catchweight, and the lower the better, just as long as it will not compromise manny's health. the more the fans would perceived this fight to be competitive the more interest it would generate and the better it will sell. and in the game of one-upmanship, it would put one over floyd again who couldn't even keep the catchweight against marquez.

funny how now it's not fair to Pacquiao if he must drop in weight to face a "smaller" guy, yet it's fine for every other fighter to do it for him (Cotto at 145, Margarito 150, asking Martinez to come down to 147 when he can't even make 154 anymore), oh but i forgot those cases are always "in the interest of fairness" or so that Pacquiao wont lose his "advantage", go down to at least 140 you fucking snob and give the guys that has given you hell twice (arguably beat you twice) a fair fight, he's more deserving than anybody else you've fought, as for bruceleroy's bullshit about Cotto wanting Manny more, that BS Manny asked Arum for Cotto right in MSG not even 5 minutes after Cotto beat Clottey