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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by Master

Tyson would have beaten Foreman then, remember Tyson took on Rudduck who was far more dangerous at the time than Old George.

No way. Ruddock was far too fragile to be regarded as dangerous never mind more dangerous than Foreman.

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Plus Foreman had power in both hands, didn't need a gimmick punch like "The Smash", and Foreman wasn't enamored of his power he was grown up about it and didn't admire the damager he inflicted until his opponent was down for the count.


Foreman's simple 1-2 could have taken Tyson. That jab alone, how many rounds could Tyson take of that?

Originally Posted by Master

Tyson would have beaten Foreman then, remember Tyson took on Rudduck who was far more dangerous at the time than Old George.

I'm not so sure about that. Tommy Morrison DESTROYED Razor Rudduck in 2 rounds.

Tommy ran for 12 rounds from Big George, not daring to stand and trade with him.

Foreman was old, and looked bad against some sub par opposition, but he was still GEORGE FOREMAN. He still had that power and that mystique.

Its why Bert Cooper quit against him after 2 rounds, yet had no fear of going head to head with the likes of Holyfield, Mercer and Moorer.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by Master

Tyson would have beaten Foreman then, remember Tyson took on Rudduck who was far more dangerous at the time than Old George.

No way. Ruddock was far too fragile to be regarded as dangerous never mind more dangerous than Foreman.

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Plus Foreman had power in both hands, didn't need a gimmick punch like "The Smash", and Foreman wasn't enamored of his power he was grown up about it and didn't admire the damager he inflicted until his opponent was down for the count.


Foreman's simple 1-2 could have taken Tyson. That jab alone, how many rounds could Tyson take of that?

I honestly think Tyson's chin is overrated, the man got KO'd every time he got beat and was rocked against total shite like Bonecrusher Smith and Frank Bruno. Yes they were big punchers but do you see someone with a genuine chin like an Ali, Frazier or Holyfield being rocked by these bums in their primes? I don't!

Foreman would have frightened Tyson with his power, Tyson used to rely on frightening his opponents with his power before they even got in the ring and when someone wasn't frightened like Evander and Lewis weren't he got destroyed. I'm fed up of people making excuses for Tyson like he wasn't in shape etc. He came out of prison doing the same thing he did before he went in, and that was destroying bums. He beat a better version of Bruno in better fashion after he came out of prison but just ran into a better fighter in Holyfield and got beat quite easily. Tyson fans just need to accept these FACTS.

Tyson wouldnt have got dropped by Cooper, Wepner and Banks

KO'd "every time he got beat" is a really silly metric. You may as well suggest that Tyson was a more skilled and polished boxer than Ali, because Ali lost decisions, and Tyson never did.

Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX

KO'd "every time he got beat" is a really silly metric. You may as well suggest that Tyson was a more skilled and polished boxer than Ali, because Ali lost decisions, and Tyson never did.

Well remember the biggest trouble for Holyfield going into the heavyweight division was that he didn't have the power to be a heavyweight....and he stopped Tyson. Now if we're comparing Tyson to Ali, well Tyson put himself in position to be stopped due to his style whereas Ali did not.

But I enjoy that the Tyson fans constantly dodge the issue as what would have happened in a fight vs Foreman. Was Foreman "old and slow" yeah...and he still became THE heavyweight champion (something Tyson never accomplished post prison...he had titles but never THE title, he was never considered "A #1 Duke of NY" after prison).

Riddle me this Tyson fans...when exactly was Mike Tyson's prime? If it was "before he left Rooney" then dear God he fought a lot of bums, no wonder he looked so damn invicible.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by Boxer4life

Right but what a list heavyweight did old George beat?

At the time Michael Moorer was undefeated and looking pretty good...he just got done beating Holyfield.

Didnt you say evander was having heart problems? moorer was far from a list, i know u know that deep down, he may have "looked" pretty good, but he wasnt. because evander stuck around, moorer didnt.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

When Tyson was champ , and Foreman returned , i did feel it would be a very very interesting matchup, i would have loved to see Tyson be hit be a really big puncher.

Lewis is probably the biggest puncher the division has had over the last 20 years? Mike took plenty of his shots and had to be pushed down.

....How many rounds did Mike win? THANK YOU

aaaahhhhh come on, its not even fair to judge that version of mike tyson vs lewis, its like saying tarver is better than roy

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX

KO'd "every time he got beat" is a really silly metric. You may as well suggest that Tyson was a more skilled and polished boxer than Ali, because Ali lost decisions, and Tyson never did.

Well remember the biggest trouble for Holyfield going into the heavyweight division was that he didn't have the power to be a heavyweight....and he stopped Tyson. Now if we're comparing Tyson to Ali, well Tyson put himself in position to be stopped due to his style whereas Ali did not.

But I enjoy that the Tyson fans constantly dodge the issue as what would have happened in a fight vs Foreman. Was Foreman "old and slow" yeah...and he still became THE heavyweight champion (something Tyson never accomplished post prison...he had titles but never THE title, he was never considered "A #1 Duke of NY" after prison).

Riddle me this Tyson fans...when exactly was Mike Tyson's prime? If it was "before he left Rooney" then dear God he fought a lot of bums, no wonder he looked so damn invicible.

Thats because tyson didnt get to fight Michael moorer, Goerge comeback was planned perfectly, the only outstanding guy he fought was evander and he lost, and tyson has fought enough names in his prime to show us what he would do to just about anybody, michael spinks and bruno aren't exactly a list but after what he did to them, its hard to argue anyone else would do better, espeacially grilled sausage eating george


Oh and evanders big ass head stopped tyson

Originally Posted by Boxer4life

Thats because tyson didnt get to fight Michael moorer, Goerge comeback was planned perfectly, the only outstanding guy he fought was evander and he lost, and tyson has fought enough names in his prime to show us what he would do to just about anybody, michael spinks and bruno aren't exactly a list but after what he did to them, its hard to argue anyone else would do better, espeacially grilled sausage eating george


Oh and evanders big ass head stopped tyson

George was up for fighting anyone ESPECIALLY Tyson who was the perfect style match for Foreman. Tyson would come straight in, not move his head, be easy to land the 1-2 on, and be easy to tie up and out muscle on the inside.

As for who Foreman fought in his comeback compared to who Tyson fought after prison...you tell me who's more dangerous: Bert Cooper, Gerry Cooney, Evander Holyfield, Pierre Coetzer, Tommy Morrison or Peter McNeely, Buster Mathis Jr., Frank Bruno, and Bruce Seldon

Mike had 3 stages to his career. When he wasnt under King, when he was with King and when he left prison.

When Mike wasnt under King he was the nearest any heavy has looked at unbeatable. Even though Marciano retired undefeated, he got dropped and struggled with an old light heavy, he didnt have long left.

Alot of the media weresaying that Mike is invincible and is close to taking Alis greatest crown. Its only since King spoilt him that people are completely disregarding what he did with Rooney as his trainer.

Post prison Mike was just getting paid and was being used to make money.

This Tyson, although on the slide, was still able to beat Foreman and you guys are perpetuating a myth. Bruno and Bonecrusher were monster punchers and they only hurt him for a short while. Old George may have developed a better jab than when he was young but he was far too slow. Tyson would have beat him to the punch and have the sense to punch him at angles and not stand toe to toe with him. The punches Holyfield landed unanswered in his fight with Foreman would have resulted in a stoppage if Tyson had landed them. Prime Foreman would have been a different story but this old version who was carefully managed and manoeuvred would not last with Tyson at that time.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by Boxer4life

Thats because tyson didnt get to fight Michael moorer, Goerge comeback was planned perfectly, the only outstanding guy he fought was evander and he lost, and tyson has fought enough names in his prime to show us what he would do to just about anybody, michael spinks and bruno aren't exactly a list but after what he did to them, its hard to argue anyone else would do better, espeacially grilled sausage eating george


Oh and evanders big ass head stopped tyson

George was up for fighting anyone ESPECIALLY Tyson who was the perfect style match for Foreman. Tyson would come straight in, not move his head, be easy to land the 1-2 on, and be easy to tie up and out muscle on the inside.

As for who Foreman fought in his comeback compared to who Tyson fought after prison...you tell me who's more dangerous: Bert Cooper, Gerry Cooney, Evander Holyfield, Pierre Coetzer, Tommy Morrison or Peter McNeely, Buster Mathis Jr., Frank Bruno, and Bruce Seldon

George was way to easy to hit, Tyson was THE hardest puncher in his era, George would get his clock cleaned, and actually that list looks very similar, especially considering he lost to evander and MORRISON, who tyson would have demolished, tommy was a C fighter on his BEST day

Tommy Morrison was another fighter that Tyson didn't fight and Tommy did not fight Foreman the way Tyson would have. Tyson didn't have it in him to stick and move. Holyfield went tooth and nail with Foreman....Mike Tyson got the shit kicked out of him bar 1 big punch to start the fight, after that it was ALL Evander. Also, Foreman was only ever stopped 1 time....it's not like the guy didn't face big punchers either: Frazier, Ron Lyle, Cooney, Bert Cooper. Comparing Foreman's power to Smith, Ruddock, and Bruno is blasphemy!!! Foreman's chin and power allowed him to become the oldest ever heavyweight champion, if you think Mike Tyson could have undone him with 1 or 2 haymakers you're shrooming!

OK if Tyson was great with Rooney then why weren't other heavyweights great with Rooney? If Don King ruined Tyson, then why were other heavyweights able to have success with him? Mike Tyson was a great fighter, but he had flaws and who better to exploit those flaws than George Foreman? Mike Tyson once claimed he was Sonny Liston....Well George Foreman studied under Sonny Liston, was better than Sonny Liston, was meaner than Sonny Liston, and would have made Tyson cry like a little school girl.

Ask Tim Witherspoon what working with King was like. Why Foreman wouldnt sign the Tyson fight, why Lewis would never work with King.

Its not so much Rooney but the style that D'Amato created. Mike needs a trainer that knows that style which is more a system.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

As for who Foreman fought in his comeback compared to who Tyson fought after prison...you tell me who's more dangerous: Bert Cooper, Gerry Cooney, Evander Holyfield, Pierre Coetzer, Tommy Morrison or Peter McNeely, Buster Mathis Jr., Frank Bruno, and Bruce Seldon

I think there's some overlap there. IMO, the Bruno and Seldon that Tyson fought were pretty clearly more dangerous than the Cooper, Cooney, and Coetzer that Foreman fought.