Thread: Jesus and Boxing

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Being an atheist is the alternative world view. People were not even comfortable revealing that they were atheists until the 18th century but that is really beside the point. Atheists are not threatened by a boxer thanking Jesus post fight any more than they are troubled by your ridiculous assertion that only a believers life has meaning. The thread was not posted in order to ridicule Christians, but to ask what people thought of the notion of Jesus and Boxing. I have an attitude of gratitude for every precious second because I don't believe in an afterlife. All publicity is not good publicity, and a Boxer whose life does not reflect Christian values thanking Jesus for material blessings that their saviour rejected, whilst taking part in a violent sport that again runs so against the grain of their faith, that they have to pray that God protects their adversary before attacking him, would seem hypocritical even to a lot of Christians.

Although it just seems like "showtime" the little post fight "thank you jesus" doesn't bother me. What irks me is guys like Byrd, Holyfield, et al, who would sometimes for example, be singing and dancing on the way to the ring, with their favorite gospel music blaring. That's just promoting/selling christianity and/or whoring yourself out for jesus, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with boxing.

They arent selling or promoting it as a plan by the church as such, 99% of Christians are under the misconception that they dont have to live their faith as much as they are saved if they profess Christ to others. Thats their faith, It relives them (They believe) of their own responsibility of the consequences of their own words and actions.

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Bilbo this is not a meaning of life thread. This is a thread in BOXING TALK about Jesus and BOXING. I am quite happy to engage with you in another more appropriate area should you wish to exercise your Christian empathy in ascertaining how atheists lives are more meaningful than inanimate objects like rocks.

Seriously Beanz, don't you have better things to do with your time then attempting to "debate" a religious bigot and/or condescending nitwit like bibbo?

Keep in mind:
#1. First Law of Debate: Never argue with a fool ~ people might
forget who's who.
#2. Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
#3. When having to deal with a godist/creationist bigot on a boxing forum, ignore is bliss.

cheers

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Bilbo this is not a meaning of life thread. This is a thread in BOXING TALK about Jesus and BOXING. I am quite happy to engage with you in another more appropriate area should you wish to exercise your Christian empathy in ascertaining how atheists lives are more meaningful than inanimate objects like rocks.

Seriously Beanz, don't you have better things to do with your time then attempting to "debate" a religious bigot and/or condescending nitwit like bibbo?

Keep in mind:
#1. First Law of Debate: Never argue with a fool ~ people might
forget who's who.
#2. Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
#3. When having to deal with a godist/creationist bigot on a boxing forum, ignore is bliss.

cheers

Shall we take this to the off topic board? I've actually added a post on this so please continue.

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Being an atheist is the alternative world view. People were not even comfortable revealing that they were atheists until the 18th century but that is really beside the point. Atheists are not threatened by a boxer thanking Jesus post fight any more than they are troubled by your ridiculous assertion that only a believers life has meaning. The thread was not posted in order to ridicule Christians, but to ask what people thought of the notion of Jesus and Boxing. I have an attitude of gratitude for every precious second because I don't believe in an afterlife. All publicity is not good publicity, and a Boxer whose life does not reflect Christian values thanking Jesus for material blessings that their saviour rejected, whilst taking part in a violent sport that again runs so against the grain of their faith, that they have to pray that God protects their adversary before attacking him, would seem hypocritical even to a lot of Christians.

Although it just seems like "showtime" the little post fight "thank you jesus" doesn't bother me. What irks me is guys like Byrd, Holyfield, et al, who would sometimes for example, be singing and dancing on the way to the ring, with their favorite gospel music blaring. That's just promoting/selling christianity and/or whoring yourself out for jesus, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with boxing.

They arent selling or promoting it as a plan by the church as such, 99% of Christians are under the misconception that they dont have to live their faith as much as they are saved if they profess Christ to others. Thats their faith, It relives them (They believe) of their own responsibility of the consequences of their own words and actions.

Spreading the word is a requirement of sorts for the "serious christian", that translates to, preaching/proselytizing and bringing new converts into the church. I call it whoring yourself out for jesus.
As for "relieving them of their own responsibility of the consequences of their own words and actions", so does making the claim that you're doing something in the name of god/jesus. Christians who claim to be doing "god's bidding" are flat out psychopathic liars.

Originally Posted by Memphis

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Bilbo this is not a meaning of life thread. This is a thread in BOXING TALK about Jesus and BOXING. I am quite happy to engage with you in another more appropriate area should you wish to exercise your Christian empathy in ascertaining how atheists lives are more meaningful than inanimate objects like rocks.

Seriously Beanz, don't you have better things to do with your time then attempting to "debate" a religious bigot and/or condescending nitwit like bibbo?

Keep in mind:
#1. First Law of Debate: Never argue with a fool ~ people might
forget who's who.
#2. Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
#3. When having to deal with a godist/creationist bigot on a boxing forum, ignore is bliss.

cheers

Shall we take this to the off topic board? I've actually added a post on this so please continue.

If you havn't already done so, Memphis, please do.

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Being an atheist is the alternative world view. People were not even comfortable revealing that they were atheists until the 18th century but that is really beside the point. Atheists are not threatened by a boxer thanking Jesus post fight any more than they are troubled by your ridiculous assertion that only a believers life has meaning. The thread was not posted in order to ridicule Christians, but to ask what people thought of the notion of Jesus and Boxing. I have an attitude of gratitude for every precious second because I don't believe in an afterlife. All publicity is not good publicity, and a Boxer whose life does not reflect Christian values thanking Jesus for material blessings that their saviour rejected, whilst taking part in a violent sport that again runs so against the grain of their faith, that they have to pray that God protects their adversary before attacking him, would seem hypocritical even to a lot of Christians.

Although it just seems like "showtime" the little post fight "thank you jesus" doesn't bother me. What irks me is guys like Byrd, Holyfield, et al, who would sometimes for example, be singing and dancing on the way to the ring, with their favorite gospel music blaring. That's just promoting/selling christianity and/or whoring yourself out for jesus, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with boxing.

They arent selling or promoting it as a plan by the church as such, 99% of Christians are under the misconception that they dont have to live their faith as much as they are saved if they profess Christ to others. Thats their faith, It relives them (They believe) of their own responsibility of the consequences of their own words and actions.

Spreading the word is a requirement of sorts for the "serious christian", that translates to, preaching/proselytizing and bringing new converts into the church. I call it whoring yourself out for jesus.
As for "relieving them of their own responsibility of the consequences of their own words and actions", so does making the claim that you're doing something in the name of god/jesus. Christians who claim to be doing "god's bidding" are flat out psychopathic liars.

More so in group belief when choosing who to side with and who to go to war with.

I believe that I have character and something bearing resemblance to an extremely lacerated soul, but there is no god. When the suffering is over, it is truly over.

Originally Posted by miles

I believe that I have character and something bearing resemblance to an extremely lacerated soul, but there is no god. When the suffering is over, it is truly over.

Religion teaches the dangerous nonsense that death is not the end.
~ Richard Dawkins

What gods are there, what gods have there ever been, that were not from man's imagination?
~Joseph Campbell

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies.
~ Benjamin Franklin

This is hilarious. I've never seen what amounts to a 5-10 second phrase about a person's faith in a post-fight interview get people so riled up.