Thread: When Carl Froch won the World Title....3 Times

vs Pascal
vs Abraham
vs Bute

Now that is some list to win 3 world titles against especially when in 2 of them Froch was the underdog (Abraham , Bute). I think even against Pascal both were around even money.

Froch is a credit to the sport but especially here in the UK where finally he is getting the widespread recognition.

To also think that Froch could potentially fight Kessler again then if he wins Bute in Canada just shows that Froch is the type of fighter that IF many were like him....the sport would be in a better place.

I personally think he will win a close decision vs Kessler and will again KO Bute in Canada although later in the fight. After that i know it would be hard to retire at the top of his game BUT Froch really even right now has nothing to prove...ONLY a fight for a title at 175 could be the swansong that this warrior bows out as a 4 time 2 weight world champion.

How do you rate Froch's 3 title winning efforts

1. Pascal - excellent war with 2 young up and coming world class fighters teeing off for 12 rounds , the fact that Pascal has went to to win a world title makes Froch win look better.

2. Abraham - Froch was not expected to win especially as he was AWAY in Finland for this fight , Totally dominated Abraham basically winning every round , the nature of this beating was shocking to many.

3. Bute - i dont think i read anybody saying that Froch would destroy this undefeated champion early , but that what he did. I tought Froch would win on points as Bute was untested against the elite of 168..i did think it would be close though 116-112 or 115-113 like scores. To destroy him in 5 was i think Froch best performance of his career.

Thoughts?

I love Froch - Pascal beating dawson so easily and taking bhop to the wire twice also enhances what he did in my mind -

I would still say kessler froch would be about evens, I love Kessler too - But where has that old one two gone (just look at Kess v Bayer & Andrade in comparison to Kess vs green) which I think givers froch a good shot.

Would love to see him fight ward as froch (i dont think) has ever had a rematch, and that was the least effective he has been since dirrell

I just wish he got more attention, were ricky hatton to of had his fights (i love hatton to!) Hatton would have been the biggest star ever to have been produced from Britain no doubt!

I dont remember Froch being the underdog against Abraham?

In fact, Abrahams first loss was against Dirrell and I said Abraham would lose as he just isnt strong enough for super middle. Then somehow you have him as favourite going in to afight withFroch who beat Dirrell?

Originally Posted by ross

I dont remember Froch being the underdog against Abraham?

In fact, Abrahams first loss was against Dirrell and I said Abraham would lose as he just isnt strong enough for super middle. Then somehow you have him as favourite going in to afight withFroch who beat Dirrell?

Ross Froch was teh underdog because he was coming off a loss aswell vs Kessler and was fighting away in finland , Yep Abraham was away from hoem but this was Abraham's promotional outfit that was staging the fight

Froch fought on even terms with Kessler where Abraham was made to look small and slow by Dirrell, Abraham was also dropped. Id be very suprised if any bookies had Abraham the favourite going in to this fight.

Originally Posted by ross

Froch fought on even terms with Kessler where Abraham was made to look small and slow by Dirrell, Abraham was also dropped. Id be very suprised if any bookies had Abraham the favourite going in to this fight.

Im very sure mate , remember Froch beat Dirrell but many including me had him losing , then he loses vs Kessler (i had froch winning by 1 ) , Froch plain refused to fight in Germany so Finland was sought But still he was the underdog because of his previous 2 performances..many felt he lost the 2 of them

Some might have thout he lost to Dirrell but Dirrell proved how week Abraham is in the super middle division. When he fought Froch, Dirrell fought negative. When he fought Abraham he was bullying him and dropped him. If someone as negative as Dirrell can do that then Froch was always going to win. In fact Froch could have got a stoppage if hed fought like did against Bute.

Abraham may win this title fight he has coming up because the opponent has been stopped before but even if he does, I can see the only big name super middle he will want to defend against being Bute. Also, Abraham will be the only super middle Bute will want, both will look at each other as big name fodder.

Originally Posted by fightscorecollector

Originally Posted by ross

I dont remember Froch being the underdog against Abraham?

In fact, Abrahams first loss was against Dirrell and I said Abraham would lose as he just isnt strong enough for super middle. Then somehow you have him as favourite going in to afight withFroch who beat Dirrell?

Ross Froch was teh underdog because he was coming off a loss aswell vs Kessler and was fighting away in finland , Yep Abraham was away from hoem but this was Abraham's promotional outfit that was staging the fight

froch was a huge underdog against AA, according to the fans probably more of an underdog than against BUte

check out some threads on here from before the fight

Originally Posted by ross

Some might have thout he lost to Dirrell but Dirrell proved how week Abraham is in the super middle division. When he fought Froch, Dirrell fought negative. When he fought Abraham he was bullying him and dropped him. If someone as negative as Dirrell can do that then Froch was always going to win. In fact Froch could have got a stoppage if hed fought like did against Bute.

Abraham may win this title fight he has coming up because the opponent has been stopped before but even if he does, I can see the only big name super middle he will want to defend against being Bute. Also, Abraham will be the only super middle Bute will want, both will look at each other as big name fodder.

hindsight is a beautiful thing

how did you see the froch bute fight going before the fight?

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by ross

Some might have thout he lost to Dirrell but Dirrell proved how week Abraham is in the super middle division. When he fought Froch, Dirrell fought negative. When he fought Abraham he was bullying him and dropped him. If someone as negative as Dirrell can do that then Froch was always going to win. In fact Froch could have got a stoppage if hed fought like did against Bute.

Abraham may win this title fight he has coming up because the opponent has been stopped before but even if he does, I can see the only big name super middle he will want to defend against being Bute. Also, Abraham will be the only super middle Bute will want, both will look at each other as big name fodder.

hindsight is a beautiful thing

how did you see the froch bute fight going before the fight?

This is what I said in the poll thread and I also picked Froch by KO in the poll

Originally Posted by ross

Id like to see Froch forget about loading up on those big shots. I used to mention them before he fought Pascal, he seems to think hes quicker than he is, he loads up and swings and rhe opponent is already out the way. He did it with Ward too. He needs to think like Calzaghe here and throw lots of sharp shots, stuff that will either actually land or at least keep Bute thinking. If he just waits for the single jabs or or uppercuts, he will give Zbute plenty of time to land first. He needs to pressure Bute and make him feel uncomfortable and make him work and tire. Froch is used toworking hard late wheras Bute isnt.

But what was your pick?

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by ross

Some might have thout he lost to Dirrell but Dirrell proved how week Abraham is in the super middle division. When he fought Froch, Dirrell fought negative. When he fought Abraham he was bullying him and dropped him. If someone as negative as Dirrell can do that then Froch was always going to win. In fact Froch could have got a stoppage if hed fought like did against Bute.

Abraham may win this title fight he has coming up because the opponent has been stopped before but even if he does, I can see the only big name super middle he will want to defend against being Bute. Also, Abraham will be the only super middle Bute will want, both will look at each other as big name fodder.

hindsight is a beautiful thing

how did you see the froch bute fight going before the fight?

This is what I said in the poll thread and I also picked Froch by KO in the poll

Originally Posted by ross

Id like to see Froch forget about loading up on those big shots. I used to mention them before he fought Pascal, he seems to think hes quicker than he is, he loads up and swings and rhe opponent is already out the way. He did it with Ward too. He needs to think like Calzaghe here and throw lots of sharp shots, stuff that will either actually land or at least keep Bute thinking. If he just waits for the single jabs or or uppercuts, he will give Zbute plenty of time to land first. He needs to pressure Bute and make him feel uncomfortable and make him work and tire. Froch is used toworking hard late wheras Bute isnt.

if you picked froch against both AA and bute then you are one of only a few

if you believed froch would dominate AA as he did and KO bute as "easily" as he did then you are one of a very small minority

its quite obvious from the threads where both fights were discussed prior to them happenning that froch was a significant underdog in both fights

a lot of people had bute as the number 1 SMW, a little less so after ward v froch but before people thought he had the beating of the lot

i think one point that the op is making is that froch has won 3 world titles and prior to two of the fights he was a massive underdog which makes it an even better achievement

i dont remember anyone being in a situation like that and overcomming the odds like that before

Originally Posted by AdamGB

But what was your pick?

You cant have read my post properly...

You said what you would like to see Froch do. You didn't allude to his chances of pulling that game plan off and how well it would work?

Not quite a prediction is it.

Moot point though, its about the boxing public as a whole, not just what one fan predicted.

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by ross

Some might have thout he lost to Dirrell but Dirrell proved how week Abraham is in the super middle division. When he fought Froch, Dirrell fought negative. When he fought Abraham he was bullying him and dropped him. If someone as negative as Dirrell can do that then Froch was always going to win. In fact Froch could have got a stoppage if hed fought like did against Bute.

Abraham may win this title fight he has coming up because the opponent has been stopped before but even if he does, I can see the only big name super middle he will want to defend against being Bute. Also, Abraham will be the only super middle Bute will want, both will look at each other as big name fodder.

hindsight is a beautiful thing

how did you see the froch bute fight going before the fight?

This is what I said in the poll thread and I also picked Froch by KO in the poll

Originally Posted by ross

Id like to see Froch forget about loading up on those big shots. I used to mention them before he fought Pascal, he seems to think hes quicker than he is, he loads up and swings and rhe opponent is already out the way. He did it with Ward too. He needs to think like Calzaghe here and throw lots of sharp shots, stuff that will either actually land or at least keep Bute thinking. If he just waits for the single jabs or or uppercuts, he will give Zbute plenty of time to land first. He needs to pressure Bute and make him feel uncomfortable and make him work and tire. Froch is used toworking hard late wheras Bute isnt.

if you picked froch against both AA and bute then you are one of only a few

if you believed froch would dominate AA as he did and KO bute as "easily" as he did then you are one of a very small minority

its quite obvious from the threads where both fights were discussed prior to them happenning that froch was a significant underdog in both fights

a lot of people had bute as the number 1 SMW, a little less so after ward v froch but before people thought he had the beating of the lot

i think one point that the op is making is that froch has won 3 world titles and prior to two of the fights he was a massive underdog which makes it an even better achievement

i dont remember anyone being in a situation like that and overcomming the odds like that before

Take a look at what I wrote in here

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...nd-monaco.html

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Mar

In england, africa, or hell even in froch's living room, i see no way he beats abraham. He's too slow to do what direll did, leaves his hands down way too much. Abraham will be back to his old ways. Blocking countering and simply wearing down froch for a mid/late stoppage.

Although Dirrell was beating Abraham fairly comfortably I do think Froch will be too much for Abraham.

Abraham cant handle the strength of the supermiddles and I reckon Froch will hurt him. Dirrell put Abraham down and wasted the opportunity. As shite as Froch is, when (not if) he hurts Abraham, he will go for the kill and as clumsy as it may be, it will be the most pressure that Abraham has ever had to deal with.

Abraham stalks opponents but that will suit Froch, he will get plenty of time to try those swinging punches while Abraham gets pushed backwards with his gloves covering his face

Abraham gets stopped late.

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by CFH

If Abraham opens up early and counters Froch, he will stop him. However, if he covers up for the first six rounds and lets Froch fire away, he'll be lucky to see the end of the fight. This is the most compelling fight in the Super 6 so far IMO. Depending on the way it plays out it could go either way. I think both fighters can hurt the other and it'll all come down to who fights the smarter fight.

I dont see this little power house that everyone else does in Abraham

I dont think he can deal with thye strength of the super middles. He was getting handled and pushed around quite easy by Dirrell and Andre is hardly a rough fighter.

The reason Abraham stops people late is because he conserves so much energy doing absolutely fuuck all during the rest of the fight. Froch can actually punch at this weight and I reckon is a bigger puncher than Dirrell who dropped Abraham but Froch will try to stop him where Andre didnt.

Abraham is strong but strong for a middleweight, he doesnt have the same advantage fighting genuine top super middles.