Thread: The Ring - still ranking Khan above Garcia

Just checked the ratings since weekend and seen Khan still ranked above Garcia (1 and 2 respectively, champion vacant)

Boxing Ratings | RingTV

Don't make sense to me that. I don't mind them doing this when there is a close controversial decision, eg Pac v Bradley or Lewis v Holyfield I, but when fighter B sparks fighter A , regardless of how talented either is, then B should jump A in the ratings.

I usually swear by the Ring ratings but this is bollocks.

Maybe they haven't updated them yet?

well records are updated and they both moved places since last week ??

actually thinking about it it could be monthly - in which case I will let them off

despite being a Khan hater I still think he is better than Garcia anyway

Yeah he proved it at the weekend.

They do their updates on Tuesdays. Calm down.

Originally Posted by shza

They do their updates on Tuesdays. Calm down.

thats just lazy - havent they heard of seven day weeks

Originally Posted by roberto duran legend

Yeah he proved it at the weekend.

I hope Garcia doesn't rematch him

They're up now:

Champion: Danny Garcia

1. Lucas Matthysse
2. Amir Khan
3. Zab Judah
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Mike Alvarado
6. Marcos Maidana
7. Erik Morales
8. Khabib Allakhverdiev
9. Denis Shafikov
10. Ajose Olusegun

Personally, I think this is fine except it *really* overrates Judah -- and Khan should probably take more of a hit, though I'm not sure who you'd put ahead of him. I might make JMM #2, despite his lack of experience at the weight, Alvarado 3, Khan 4, Judah 5, and then keep the rest as they are (this in complete igonrance of the guys they've got at 8-10).

Here's their explanation: RING Ratings Update: Where does Khan fit in? | RingTV

if stoke city beat man u they wouldnt be above them in the lb4lb football ratings

khan has had a good run up until garcia, mixing in some top company and only loosing to a cheat since prescott

garcia has also had a good run but not mixed it quite in the same company as khan has

khan probably still deserves to be above garcia

can't compare football and boxing in that respect

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

can't compare football and boxing in that respect

you can, say a journeyman beat khan, should he be rated above him?

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

can't compare football and boxing in that respect

you can, say a journeyman beat khan, should he be rated above him?

Probably not, but a fellow champion comparably ranked who beats him should.

If Stoke City were 2 points behind Man Utd and then beat them they would be above them. But you can't compare the two because one uses a subjective ranking sytem and one uses a mathematical points system.

Originally Posted by Seraphanx

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

can't compare football and boxing in that respect

you can, say a journeyman beat khan, should he be rated above him?

Probably not, but a fellow champion comparably ranked who beats him should.

If Stoke City were 2 points behind Man Utd and then beat them they would be above them. But you can't compare the two because one uses a subjective ranking sytem and one uses a mathematical points system.

you can compare them

say it was right at the start of the season, stoke have had a cracking start, just 2 points behind united and they beat them, stoke would then be above united in the league but would you still have them as lb4lb a better team?

mayweather fights some donkey in his next fight, the donkey knocks him out, the donkey is now world champion and mayweather isnt

can he be considered lb4lb a better fighter?

If everytime a fighter beat another fighter he had to go above that fighter on the lb4lb rankings then the rankings would be all over the shop and would mean nothing (id at all maintainable)

take for instance if garcia had to go above khan then realistically khan would come down a few and garcia up a few, that would probably put khan below fighters like maidana morales and olusegan and/or garcia above fighters like marquez

the conculsion is the football analogy is a very good one, to put garcia above khan would be like ranking a previous team that were not in the top 10 above man united (not in the league but in a mythical lb4lb ranking) just coz they beat them

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Seraphanx

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

can't compare football and boxing in that respect

you can, say a journeyman beat khan, should he be rated above him?

Probably not, but a fellow champion comparably ranked who beats him should.

If Stoke City were 2 points behind Man Utd and then beat them they would be above them. But you can't compare the two because one uses a subjective ranking sytem and one uses a mathematical points system.

you can compare them

say it was right at the start of the season, stoke have had a cracking start, just 2 points behind united and they beat them, stoke would then be above united in the league but would you still have them as lb4lb a better team?

mayweather fights some donkey in his next fight, the donkey knocks him out, the donkey is now world champion and mayweather isnt

can he be considered lb4lb a better fighter?

If everytime a fighter beat another fighter he had to go above that fighter on the lb4lb rankings then the rankings would be all over the shop and would mean nothing (id at all maintainable)

take for instance if garcia had to go above khan then realistically khan would come down a few and garcia up a few, that would probably put khan below fighters like maidana morales and olusegan and/or garcia above fighters like marquez

the conculsion is the football analogy is a very good one, to put garcia above khan would be like ranking a previous team that were not in the top 10 above man united (not in the league but in a mythical lb4lb ranking) just coz they beat them

Yeah ok, I see what you're saying. But in this case Khan and Garcia were comparably ranked, so if they then fight and one of them wins, the winner should overtake the other, in my opinion. If Khan is ranked no1 and fights someone ranked no10 and loses I'm not saying the same would apply, but if they're only one or two places apart in the rankings that's different. All I'm saying is that boxing is subjective, so it's all about people's opinions. Whereas football is a mathematical thing - if you win, you get 3 points. If you get more points than everyone else, you win the league.