Thread: Israel's military mobilizes for a ground invasion of the Gaza strip

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Israel pisses me off. It is an aberration in the region. If America cared about the Jews so much then ship them all to Texas and be done with this nonsense.

Again you whilst thinking deludingly that you are a sensitive caring human being use inflammatory language and refer to human beings like a commodity. Your own reasoning is much closer to a final solution than many of the pro Nazi groups you supposedly despise. "The Jews" and "The State of Israel " are not the same thing.

Israel is a Jewish state. It practices apartheid policies.

America is a very big country with lots of space. There was never a valid reason for creating Israel. It would have been better to give them their own state and Texas is very big, so that would have sufficed.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Originally Posted by TitoFan

The Israelis think they're right in their own mind, and that they're just defending themselves and their country. In all likelihood, the Palestinians think the same thing. It's beyond any of our capabilities to judge who's right and who's wrong in a conflict that has raged on for many decades. This is why a strong, powerful, global mediation/peacekeeping organization is in order. Single countries which enter the conflict on one side or the other are viewed as antagonistic by the other side. And these interventions invariably bring consequences.

It is easy to judge who is right and wrong when you consider who is occupying land and building settlements. Have Israel and have Palestine following the 1967 borders and then you won't have any of this pushing and shoving. The world agrees that this is the solution and it is on the record that Israel and its godfather are against settling the issue legally.

Which goes back to my main point. We are in dire need, and have been for some time, of a recognized, empowered, international mediating organization that has the backing and balls to enforce prior agreements, with the total support of the world's nations. We don't have that, so we're left with the U.S. imparting its version of world justice and getting reamed in global public opinion, not to mention continuing to be the target of a lot of hatred and terrorist acts. We've entered a new millenium. Surely there must be some progress in the human race other than better computers, cooler cars, and deadlier weapons.

I say let them fight it out but have them go it alone. Tito, I think your idea is for starters to idealistic. Nation do whats in their best interests. The US has propped up despots when it suited us. Russia and China support regimes like Syria and Iran. I don't think any international body is going to be truly altruistic. Even if they were, no one other than the US spends enough on defense or has our capabilities. The organization would still be depending on the US military for just about everything.

what is "israel"?

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Here we go again. There will not be peace in the Middle East. Its not happening. Israel has a total right to defend itself but it always does so under a media spotlight and militarily proceeds to hammer a sewing needle with a steel mallet. Calatarol damage aka dead civilians is a recruiting poster. They need "insurgents" of their own, small teams off the grid. Its far beyond land today. Its ideology and history that cannot be undone.

Defending oneself does not mean taking over a house, using up all the best rooms, and keeping the pesky Arabs who own the house in the cellar. We call that illegal occupation.

Given our own nations History, I cannot argue that at all. But when citizens die you can expect a comeback, rightly or wrongly and as disproportionate as it looks.

They cannot agree on history even, so they damn sure will not agree and cannot move ahead on a future.

I think I'm going to adopt the use putting "illegal" in front of things I disagree with. Miles, we have decided you are an illegal poster.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Originally Posted by TitoFan

The Israelis think they're right in their own mind, and that they're just defending themselves and their country. In all likelihood, the Palestinians think the same thing. It's beyond any of our capabilities to judge who's right and who's wrong in a conflict that has raged on for many decades. This is why a strong, powerful, global mediation/peacekeeping organization is in order. Single countries which enter the conflict on one side or the other are viewed as antagonistic by the other side. And these interventions invariably bring consequences.

It is easy to judge who is right and wrong when you consider who is occupying land and building settlements. Have Israel and have Palestine following the 1967 borders and then you won't have any of this pushing and shoving. The world agrees that this is the solution and it is on the record that Israel and its godfather are against settling the issue legally.

Which goes back to my main point. We are in dire need, and have been for some time, of a recognized, empowered, international mediating organization that has the backing and balls to enforce prior agreements, with the total support of the world's nations. We don't have that, so we're left with the U.S. imparting its version of world justice and getting reamed in global public opinion, not to mention continuing to be the target of a lot of hatred and terrorist acts. We've entered a new millenium. Surely there must be some progress in the human race other than better computers, cooler cars, and deadlier weapons.

Yeah agreed, Nato troops are as weak assed as Greenpeace, financed witnesses at best.

We need a global hit squad that goes in and tears them a new sector.

It's election time in Israel. The current leader isn't doing well in the polls and his recent link up with the Israeli facist party didn't help him in the polls as much as he thought it would. So he's done what he did four years ago and invaded Gaza. And also in the last few weeks bombed Sudan, Syria and Lebanon and kidnaopped a couple of Lebanese shepherds to add to the thousands of people Israel holds indefinitely without trial.