Thread: Questions About Marquez Strength Trainer and PEDS Legit

The average age of the current ESPN pound for pound top ten is nearly thirty four. In 1990 it was twenty six.

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Pacquiao opponent Marquez denies doping accusations
This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach. But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.
"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any suspicions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.
"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''

Yeah but your source, even though extremely relevant doesn't count because the guy has forgotten more about boxing than what you'll ever now

Its so conspicuous that Marquez isn't carrying that muscle naturally

Clearly enhanced with anabolics

Originally Posted by TysonBomb

Its so conspicuous that Marquez isn't carrying that muscle naturally

Clearly enhanced with anabolics

Any more suspicious than Pacquiao that went from 105 to now, winning in 7 different weight categories?

Originally Posted by Nameless

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Pacquiao opponent Marquez denies doping accusations
This is the fourth fight Marquez has employed Hernandez, 37, as his conditioning coach. But Alex Ariza, who serves in the same role with Pacquiao, said he is friends with Hernandez and does not believe Marquez's improved physique is the result of something untoward.
"Memo is brilliant — I don't have any suspicions,'' Ariza told USA TODAY Sports. "When you get someone like that who knows the science of exercise and nutrition . . . well, we saw a whole different fighter when he fought Manny last time.
"It's not because (trainer) Nacho Beristain is teaching (Marquez) something new. It is because Memo now has Marquez's confidence. He has done things to his body. He has taken a good fighter at 39 and completely evolved him. Now I've got a guy (Hernandez) teaching the science as well — we're on an even plane. That's my fear.''

Yeah but your source, even though extremely relevant doesn't count because the guy has forgotten more about boxing than what you'll ever now

Thanks, I forgot

Originally Posted by Jokatech

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CFzCBbOXKc

Originally Posted by Jokatech

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

Didn't turn into the punch?! Wow, you're a moron... He dropped his shoulder into the shot perfectly and landed right on the chin.

JMM has rattled Pac with the counter SEVERAL times, after almost 50 rounds together and moving up several weight classes I don't see how you can honestly say that it was anything other than highly probable.

Pac did the same thing to Ricky Hatton (worse even) and at a LOWER weight, when it happens to Hatton you don't question it... When it happens to Pac it's 'in a way only a heavyweight would have been'. Double standards much.

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Originally Posted by AdamGB

Originally Posted by Jokatech

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

Didn't turn into the punch?! Wow, you're a moron... He dropped his shoulder into the shot perfectly and landed right on the chin.

JMM has rattled Pac with the counter SEVERAL times, after almost 50 rounds together and moving up several weight classes I don't see how you can honestly say that it was anything other than highly probable.

Pac did the same thing to Ricky Hatton (worse even) and at a LOWER weight, when it happens to Hatton you don't question it... When it happens to Pac it's 'in a way only a heavyweight would have been'. Double standards much.

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I can agree with some of what is written. That KO punch was by design but the majority of the reason it happened was because of carelessness on Pacquiao part. Marquez lured Pacuqiao in and absorbed a punch to get the counter in. Same "tactic" Martinez used against Williams and Donaire used on Monteil hust not the same punch.

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

That's a shame he said that.

Originally Posted by Jokatech

I've been seeing nothing but stupidity posted here and everywhere. I guess that should really surprise me being that the world is filled with 99% idiots who think every punch and every knock down in the same. You cannuckle heads need to analyze. Manny has made a name for himself by providing the most explosive KO's over the last decade outside of the Heavyweight division. Yet last night's KO was even beyond him. If he won by that vicious of a KO and walked though punches like that, every last one of you would be flaming him right now. Suddenly you're all Marquez fans. I was a fan of his when none of you were even talking about him. We've all seen so called perfect punches and clean shots, and we've seen our fair share between these 2. The counter right is JMM's bread and butter with Manny. He' landed it on him before. It would be one thing for manny to have lost balance, but he was KO's in a way that only a heavyweight fighter would have been. Those KO's almost never happen no matter how clean the punch in lower weight classes. If it was feasible, it would have come close to happening before. Marquez didn't even turn into the punch. Stop being blind idiots and for once analyze what just happened in front of you.

'Nuff yapping new guy, get back to work!

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Are you fucking kidding me? That cheating prick has the balls to say that? The man was tested four times until one finally cleared him and he's ...oh god I need to choke a bitch.

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by Althugz

OP, while you are quite clearly a bitter, unreasonable pactard, I do see your point and would not at all be surprised if Marquez was on something.
Karma then that it was Manny Pacquiao who was the victim of a brutal K.O? Somebody who has done nothing (apart from deny) to prove to us that he is clean. At least Marquez said he'd take any test, any time.
Although, I think people are naive to think it's normal to have somebody so involved with PED's in your corner. Even if he is good at what he does as a strength coach, why bring the attention to yourself by hiring him? Marquez' body has changed so drastically too..remember that he was a pudgy lightweight only a couple years ago. It's impossible for the body to put on 12+lbs of lean muscle in a year or two without assistance. Marquez is now a ripped welterweight.

The same questions asked of Pac can now be asked of Marquez if we're all honest. Only difference is that Marquez was willing to take the test which speaks volumes.

Personally I don't care what the answer is - Marquez's victory was very final and this argument can't blemish it..not when the opponent is Manny Pacquiao.

Manny ran into a massive punch. It was like Williams getting sparked by Martinez, that kind of perfect punch except Manny basically leapt head first into it. Manny didn't see the punch coming for the first knockdown either but I have to say JMM has added a lot of muscle and power to his frame at quite an advanced age. It must all be down to extremely hard work in the gym.

I think all these guys are suspicious though. Manny has a well-documented fear of needles and JMM says he'll take any test -- a week before the fight. Neither of them wanted to know about random testing when the fight was being made.

EDIT : Victor Conte says that the amount of weight Marquez was squatting on 24/7 would take three or so days to recover from and only steroids speed the healing process so that a fighter could continue to train the next day. That sound right to you?

Absolutely not! It's actually the opposite of what Victor Conte says. Strength/Power training has the benefit that you are not training in high volume or to muscular failure. For this reason you can increase your training frequency without burning out your CNS (central nervous system) and it becoming a major recovery issue.

For example, the national all-natural powerlifting record holder in the U.S. trains the big lifts (Deadlifts and squats) three times a week! I doubt Marquez is burning out his CNS with a 1 rep squat of 225lbs (It's actually quite worrying that the general public find this feat quite unbelievable - I could get your average male couch potato 1 repping 225lbs within about 4-8 weeks. Heck my ex girlfriend from a standing start got to squatting 130lbs for 6 reps weighing 118lbs.)

If Marquez was training with high amounts of volume and intensity (going to muscular failure with every exercise) then yeah, I would say something fishy is happening. But 1 rep of 225lbs isn't going to compromise his recovery.

Either way it's hard to say without having an overall picture of his entire training. Boxing training in itself is pretty volumous and intense so PED's would always help any boxing camp immensely..But 1 rep of 225lbs squat certainly does not make Marquez guilty.