Thread: Thatchers Dead

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I got a full scholarship to go to university. If I hadn't got the scholarship I'd be a builder now like my brothers. My year was the last in the country where you got the chance to win full scholarships. If I'd been a year younger I would have been fucked. Guess who it was who scrapped the scholarships programme?

My Uncle Pat worked in the coal mines till Maggie shut them. Except it wasn't Maggie that shut them, it was the fact that we could import Polish coal for half the price and Maggie just decided to stop subsidising the industry.

My Uncle John used to work in the shipyards until Maggie closed them, except it was the fact you could buy the same ship for half the money from Korea and other places.

What she should have done was try and set up some kind of new manufacturing infrastructure but instead Britain became a services/tertiary industry economy. This worked great for me when I came out of university and started work in a deregulated City, but Maggie deregulating the financial industry just means a nice time for the people at the top of that tree and soes nothing for the Uncle Johns and Pats who are too old to get one of the shit McJobs that another 200 people are going for.

Privatising the gas, telecom and trains wasn't too smart either. Now everybody can get robbed at will by the people who own those industries.

My family is a good microcosm of what happened to Britain under Maggie. Worked out great for the minority but everybody else got fucked at the drive-in.

and that post sums up just why she is still really hated now.

I mean I heard that the mines were running at a loss and so had to be closed but that doesn't justify the bitch taking my milk away from me as a 6 year old and making me share a bottle and two straws with a fat cunt called David Cross

Rest in hell you slag.

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Miles is from The Republic of Harrogate by the way

Power to the people!!!!!

We import 55 Million tons of coal,! WTF nasty old bitch a true Tory lump of SHIT, fucked up were I live
in Wales and many other part of the country.
Never recovered pit and steel work areas of the UK, Towns and Villages just wasted away, no work
no future, some great Tory bitch only good Tory is a dead one.

Originally Posted by Dia bando

We import 55 Million tons of coal,! WTF nasty old bitch a true Tory lump of SHIT, fucked up were I live
in Wales and many other part of the country.
Never recovered pit and steel work areas of the UK, Towns and Villages just wasted away, no work
no future, some great Tory bitch only good Tory is a dead one.

She did not believe in the concept of society but she managed to destroy many working class communities. The privatisation and selling off of British industries is biting us ever since.

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Originally Posted by Memphis

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

The coal industry was in decline thanks to an unwillingness to invest and while there is still plenty of coal in the hills and vales of the country today, Thatcher decided to forget about trying to remain self sufficient and to have the resources to look after ourselves, and instead went for the cheap option and effectively told the British coal mining industry to go fuck itself. You know the way our bills go up every year, along with the profits of the privatised energy companies.....there's even talk about energy blackouts next year unless we can negotiate a new deal on importing natural gas. Guess who you can thank.

You know the way that train prices just keep going up and up every year, along with the profits of the companies who have a captive audience who have to commute to work, and have no choice but to pay their prices? Privatisation. Guess who you can thank.

You know the way there are so many towns and cities now where people don't really know their neighbours, people are always having to move about to find work, or live in estates where they're stuck with no money in a rut that is impossible to escape? Is it a surprise that many people in these dead end areas turn to alcohol and drugs, and then to crime to fund these vices? Guess who you can thank.

Deregulation of the markets and an encouragement of the entrepreneurial spirit that has allowed a few people from humble beginnings to make it big. A good thing, right? Yet for those small number of people who get to join the entitled elite whose families have been rich for centuries, the gap between those who make the leap and the majority who didn't have the lucky break/ great idea/ willingness to be ruthless getting to the top is just getting bigger and bigger. Guess who you can thank.

And the Falklands....they're on the other side of the world FFS. Why spend millions on a ridiculous confrontation with Argentina for a set of islands that should have been released along with the rest of the empire decades previously.

I can't say that Thatcher has affected me personally, except in encouraging me to never trust a Tory. I have an uncle who is a miner, but it is in the social impact that she had on the North, Wales, Scotland, Ireland that really galls me. If I had a magical gun that allowed me to go back and shoot one person in the 20th century....Hitler would not be such an easy choice as it might appear.

Originally Posted by Memphis

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you no nothing about politics?

Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

Originally Posted by Memphis

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

The coal industry was in decline thanks to an unwillingness to invest and while there is still plenty of coal in the hills and vales of the country today, Thatcher decided to forget about trying to remain self sufficient and to have the resources to look after ourselves, and instead went for the cheap option and effectively told the British coal mining industry to go fuck itself. You know the way our bills go up every year, along with the profits of the privatised energy companies.....there's even talk about energy blackouts next year unless we can negotiate a new deal on importing natural gas. Guess who you can thank.

You know the way that train prices just keep going up and up every year, along with the profits of the companies who have a captive audience who have to commute to work, and have no choice but to pay their prices? Privatisation. Guess who you can thank.

You know the way there are so many towns and cities now where people don't really know their neighbours, people are always having to move about to find work, or live in estates where they're stuck with no money in a rut that is impossible to escape? Is it a surprise that many people in these dead end areas turn to alcohol and drugs, and then to crime to fund these vices? Guess who you can thank.

Deregulation of the markets and an encouragement of the entrepreneurial spirit that has allowed a few people from humble beginnings to make it big. A good thing, right? Yet for those small number of people who get to join the entitled elite whose families have been rich for centuries, the gap between those who make the leap and the majority who didn't have the lucky break/ great idea/ willingness to be ruthless getting to the top is just getting bigger and bigger. Guess who you can thank.

And the Falklands....they're on the other side of the world FFS. Why spend millions on a ridiculous confrontation with Argentina for a set of islands that should have been released along with the rest of the empire decades previously.

I can't say that Thatcher has affected me personally, except in encouraging me to never trust a Tory. I have an uncle who is a miner, but it is in the social impact that she had on the North, Wales, Scotland, Ireland that really galls me. If I had a magical gun that allowed me to go back and shoot one person in the 20th century....Hitler would not be such an easy choice as it might appear.

...they're looking to re-open a number of mines...guess those workers will now have to come from abroad as we have lost those skilled workers because someone decided they weren't profitable..guess who that was.

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Memphis

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you no nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Originally Posted by Memphis

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Memphis

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Memphis

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Memphis

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

I havent twisted anything? 2 generations? Surely at some point someone should have had the brains to get out of it? Maybe go to college and do politics?

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Memphis

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by Memphis

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

Our coal industry was not as competitive compared to the german because there's was subsidised.
Her first attack on the tu's miners failed so she set about baiting them in to a second round. She began stockpiling of coal so when a strike took place it would have less an effect for longer. Banned secondary action so workers in other industries couldnot strike to show support. sequestration of union money meant miners families took to collecting on the streets to survive. She basically starved them back to work. Evil bitch, ruined the sense of community turned families against each other - 'no such thing as society'.

She sold off industries back to the people who already owned it which in turn was supposed to make it more competitive....anyone see their bills go down.
She turned this country from manufacturing into a service country where we have to import everything and can't manage on our own. Economists are now saying we should try to build up our manufacturing base - really? After we sold everything and closed the country down.

Allowing people to buy council homes was fine - having no building programme to replace them, dumb.

She supported Pinochet and depending on your source killed up to 3000, tortured 30,000
Refused sanctions against Aparthied in S.Africa
Allowed use of US bases/UK airspace to bomb Libya
Poll Tax
Shoot to kill in N.Ireland

I take it you know nothing about politics?

Oh no I can quote stuff from the internet just fine.

Whilst the rest of us lived through it, watched the news, read the papers, saw the effects first hand, had two generations that worked down the pits, took politics at college and university, but you're proved my point.

We've answered your question and you're trying to twist the argument in to something else.

You're 2 years older than me for fucks sake and Im from the South so I could read long before you could.

Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

Originally Posted by Memphis

So its not true that the coal industry was dying a slow and painful death long befiore Thatcher came along? Its not true that it was costing a shit load of money to help it limp along?

All Ive heard/read so far is Thatcher fucked things up for me/us/insert place name here. Without any real explanation as to why it was all her fault.

The coal industry was in decline thanks to an unwillingness to invest and while there is still plenty of coal in the hills and vales of the country today, Thatcher decided to forget about trying to remain self sufficient and to have the resources to look after ourselves, and instead went for the cheap option and effectively told the British coal mining industry to go fuck itself. You know the way our bills go up every year, along with the profits of the privatised energy companies.....there's even talk about energy blackouts next year unless we can negotiate a new deal on importing natural gas. Guess who you can thank.

You know the way that train prices just keep going up and up every year, along with the profits of the companies who have a captive audience who have to commute to work, and have no choice but to pay their prices? Privatisation. Guess who you can thank.

You know the way there are so many towns and cities now where people don't really know their neighbours, people are always having to move about to find work, or live in estates where they're stuck with no money in a rut that is impossible to escape? Is it a surprise that many people in these dead end areas turn to alcohol and drugs, and then to crime to fund these vices? Guess who you can thank.

Deregulation of the markets and an encouragement of the entrepreneurial spirit that has allowed a few people from humble beginnings to make it big. A good thing, right? Yet for those small number of people who get to join the entitled elite whose families have been rich for centuries, the gap between those who make the leap and the majority who didn't have the lucky break/ great idea/ willingness to be ruthless getting to the top is just getting bigger and bigger. Guess who you can thank.

And the Falklands....they're on the other side of the world FFS. Why spend millions on a ridiculous confrontation with Argentina for a set of islands that should have been released along with the rest of the empire decades previously.

I can't say that Thatcher has affected me personally, except in encouraging me to never trust a Tory. I have an uncle who is a miner, but it is in the social impact that she had on the North, Wales, Scotland, Ireland that really galls me. If I had a magical gun that allowed me to go back and shoot one person in the 20th century....Hitler would not be such an easy choice as it might appear.

Nice reply. You managed to do all that without poking fun of me for not doing the odd politics module.