Thread: H2H Lennox Lewis is the greatest of all time. Nobody beats him

Originally Posted by BIG H

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Nobody in the history of boxing can knock McCall out.

Superman, Thor, Hulk, Bruce Lee, Silverfox - It doesn't matter how many whacks to the head he gets he'll still be staring back at you. Fact.

I like how this has turned into a thread about how great of a chin Oliver McCall has.

Long live McCall!!!

He's an OG bad ass ox of a motherfucker.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Nobody in the history of boxing can knock McCall out.

Superman, Thor, Hulk, Bruce Lee, Silverfox - It doesn't matter how many whacks to the head he gets he'll still be staring back at you. Fact.

The crack pipe had him on his hands and knees multiple times

Originally Posted by armin

Originally Posted by BIG H

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

Lewis would never have been stopped.
Vitali would have never been stopped.

It wouldnt have reached the decision because the ref has a duty to stop it if a fighter is taken too much damage.

Lewis fists connected with vitali face alot harder than what vitalis fists did to lewis face.

So, the ref saved vitali from any possible long term damage by stopping it.

Lewis won because of the accuracy and power of his shots inflicted so much damage that a third party had to stop the fight.

Vitali is a beast and the best of this post lennox era but theres nothing else to understand.

Lewis beat vitali.

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

Damn right he hits harder

He hits harder than most no?

Wlad is bigger, just as strong if not stronger, in my opinion has the better jab and overall is more accurate and potent and athletic and quicker and...

Seriously, just because you've seen Lennox get dropped by overhand rights that's only because he hadn't fought someone with the superior combination (and utilisation) of height, boxing ability and power.

There is a very good chance that Lennox would become frustrated by the superior jab/ long game/ footwork of Wladimir's and try to impose himself physically only putting himself at a further disadvantage and on course to getting flattened... unless Wladimir simply folds again under the pressure that Lennox would HAVE to assert.

When McCall and rahman knocked out Lewis, they really stepped in with the right hand and put their whole body into it. They saw an opening and threw that punch with conviction.

Today,s version of wlad rarely, if ever, fully commits to his punches in fear of counters. Defense is on his mind at all times.

Wlad wouldn't take chances like mccall and rahman. He gets his ass kicked

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Originally Posted by p4pking

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Either K2 provides a relatively even match up. I think if Lennox had his tactic spot on, he'd have a better chance with Vitali due to VKs lack of skill but Wladimir honestly is just as capable of flattening Lennox as is anyone.

Also, Larry has the jab, chin heart and conditioning to carry the fight so that's a tough one.

Lastly I think it's far to say that Evander has the style and attributes to give Lennox a rough night at any point of their respective careers- right up until the point that they actually met.

Ali? Hmm, I'm very dubious of how easy it is to overrate him. However, he achieved so much, he was just a winner.

Disagree totally. Wlad has no overhand right, no inside game and isn't much of a counter puncher. Have you ever seen Lewis badly hurt by a straight punch? No reason to give Wlad any more chance to KO Lewis than Vitali had in that respect, although he does hit harder. I think a great many fighters were better suited for Lennox myself, much lesser ones than Wlad at that. I don't see how Wlad even gets around Lewis having the better jab, let alone being so much more dynamic offensively.

Damn right he hits harder

He hits harder than most no?

Wlad is bigger, just as strong if not stronger, in my opinion has the better jab and overall is more accurate and potent and athletic and quicker and...

Seriously, just because you've seen Lennox get dropped by overhand rights that's only because he hadn't fought someone with the superior combination (and utilisation) of height, boxing ability and power.

There is a very good chance that Lennox would become frustrated by the superior jab/ long game/ footwork of Wladimir's and try to impose himself physically only putting himself at a further disadvantage and on course to getting flattened... unless Wladimir simply folds again under the pressure that Lennox would HAVE to assert.

Wladimir couldn't KO David Haye, but Lennox Lewis would have no choice but to go out on his shield huh Who the hell has Wlad ever fought that's even close to Lewis, I think you're being fairly wishful here. Each his own...but Wlad more athletic, seriously? I guess power, quickness and footwork are debatable in themselves, but he had nowhere near the overall athleticism or depth that Lennox did, he is so mechanical in comparison there are no words. My point was that Lennox was knocked out both times by shorter men who threw wide while stepping in. Wlad never throws that way, is never in position to, so it's very unlikely he'd catch Lennox in a similar fashion. Does Wlad hit hard enough to hurt him with a straight right that Lennox would see coming? It's certainly possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. On the flip side, I have a pretty hard time seeing Wlad taking anything solid from Lewis as would most I suspect. If a fight broke out at ANY point in close, Wlad would be the one getting flattened.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Jack dempsey didn't want anything to do with the black heavies of his own time, I doubt he'd fancy going up against a modern black monster like Lennox

Did he tell you that? Were you alive and actually spoke with Dempsey back then? I'm a Lennox fan too, but the way you word your post is bulshit.

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by armin

Originally Posted by BIG H

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

Lewis would never have been stopped.
Vitali would have never been stopped.

It wouldnt have reached the decision because the ref has a duty to stop it if a fighter is taken too much damage.

Lewis fists connected with vitali face alot harder than what vitalis fists did to lewis face.

So, the ref saved vitali from any possible long term damage by stopping it.

Lewis won because of the accuracy and power of his shots inflicted so much damage that a third party had to stop the fight.

Vitali is a beast and the best of this post lennox era but theres nothing else to understand.

Lewis beat vitali.

Uhm and what I said is in disagreement exactly how?

Originally Posted by DannyV297

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Jack dempsey didn't want anything to do with the black heavies of his own time, I doubt he'd fancy going up against a modern black monster like Lennox

Did he tell you that? Were you alive and actually spoke with Dempsey back then? I'm a Lennox fan too, but the way you word your post is bulshit.

Dempsey did refuse to fight blacks when he was champ, and was open about his disdain for them. I'm pretty sure he never fought a single one, it's hardly bullshit to say so. Of course it may have been that nobody would have paid him accordingly either, most people concerned didn't want to see a black guy fight at the top level in those days

No one wanted to see any blacks esp after jack johnson thats why when joe louis came along he was more subservant to keep the peace.

Jack johnson was amazing as he was always himself in those dreadful fatal times.

Originally Posted by imp

No one wanted to see any blacks esp after jack johnson thats why when joe louis came along he was more subservant to keep the peace.

Jack johnson was amazing as he was always himself in those dreadful fatal times.

Bit sad the irony that Johnson himself never defended his title against other blacks though, I can only imagine he didn't have much choice in the matter as they were always lining up the next white hope to beat him.

Originally Posted by armin

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by armin

Originally Posted by BIG H

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

Lewis would never have been stopped.
Vitali would have never been stopped.

It wouldnt have reached the decision because the ref has a duty to stop it if a fighter is taken too much damage.

Lewis fists connected with vitali face alot harder than what vitalis fists did to lewis face.

So, the ref saved vitali from any possible long term damage by stopping it.

Lewis won because of the accuracy and power of his shots inflicted so much damage that a third party had to stop the fight.

Vitali is a beast and the best of this post lennox era but theres nothing else to understand.

Lewis beat vitali.

Uhm and what I said is in disagreement exactly how?

Armin, theres no disagreement.

I agree.

I wish there would have been a rematch.
But as someone mentioned he went out on a tough fight when he is way past his prime.

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by armin

Originally Posted by imp

Originally Posted by armin

Originally Posted by BIG H

Please, with a straight face, tell me Lewis was losing the fight

Come on if we used facial damage as a criteria for who was winning a fight then gatti and katsidis never won a fight in their life. Lewis was going to get the stoppage or vitali was going to end up with one eye missing, no denying that and they were right to stop it when they did, but lewis was clearly loosing up to that point on rounds and a rematch would have been awesome.

Lewis would never have been stopped.
Vitali would have never been stopped.

It wouldnt have reached the decision because the ref has a duty to stop it if a fighter is taken too much damage.

Lewis fists connected with vitali face alot harder than what vitalis fists did to lewis face.

So, the ref saved vitali from any possible long term damage by stopping it.

Lewis won because of the accuracy and power of his shots inflicted so much damage that a third party had to stop the fight.

Vitali is a beast and the best of this post lennox era but theres nothing else to understand.

Lewis beat vitali.

Uhm and what I said is in disagreement exactly how?

Armin, theres no disagreement.

I agree.

I wish there would have been a rematch.
But as someone mentioned he went out on a tough fight when he is way past his prime.

Oh ok cause I was like what the hell, lol. I don't fault for lennox for retiring he's one of the very few to call it quits and not become a punching bag for some up and comers and that's good for him, but as a selfish boxing fan I would have loved to seen a rematch, not even for wanting to see a different outcome or anything but because it was a truly fun fight.