It's a perfect springboard for Alvarez back to the forefront and would revive Cotto similarly.
But I think this time the new would sign off the old, unlike the last major outing.
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It's a perfect springboard for Alvarez back to the forefront and would revive Cotto similarly.
But I think this time the new would sign off the old, unlike the last major outing.
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I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.Originally Posted by p4pking
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I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
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I know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
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Chavez jr, Puerto Rico.
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I never liked Oscar at all but if he is serious then I have changed my mind and if this is Cotto's chance to go for it all one more time then I say this, piss and vinegar belongs in his blood stream because whenever he lost there was always a limitation that kept him from all the marbles he lacked a certain meanness and he was too much of a gentlemen. Save that for everyday living out side the ring because on the way to that fight you won't be opening doors for ladies. Take the money and fight hard.
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For the pound for pound king, that isn't a bad idea either but Oscar didn't think of it and he's got the bread but good idea.
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I know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Well, Cotto's easy to defend. Future HOF'er, sterling resume, never ducked anybody, class act in and out of the ring. Easier to defend him than some coddled cheater. But anyway.... yeah, both would be big fights. But Cotto's in the driver's seat. He's got the career. He's got the resume. He's got nothing left to prove. It all depends on what he's looking for. Maybe it's legacy. In which case the more logical choice would be Martinez. One future HOF'er versus another. Both class acts. Both with sterling resumes. Cotto fighting yet another big man. Canelo would be big too, because of his following. There'd probably be more money involved, too. But it's all in what Cotto wants. Does he need the extra million? Probably not. There's also the matter of how each man has left the most recent imprint in boxing. Cotto's fresh off an impressive, though not surprising win steamroller win over Delvin Rodriguez. Canelo looked worse against Mayweather than Cotto ever did. So Canelo's stock went somewhat down, while Cotto's went somewhat up. But whatever.... both would be big fights.
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I don't know about Martinez being a HOF. That's stretching it. And there is no way in hell a Martinez fight would get Cotto more than 10 million. That's just ridiculous. So there is no "probably more money" in fighting Alvarez. It's a guarantee. Cotto has already gone on record as saying he wants the big fights that will bring him the biggest pay days. Alvarez is offering him 10 million. That's more than the 8 million he got for fighting Mayweather. What the fuck is he waiting for?I know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Well, Cotto's easy to defend. Future HOF'er, sterling resume, never ducked anybody, class act in and out of the ring. Easier to defend him than some coddled cheater. But anyway.... yeah, both would be big fights. But Cotto's in the driver's seat. He's got the career. He's got the resume. He's got nothing left to prove. It all depends on what he's looking for. Maybe it's legacy. In which case the more logical choice would be Martinez. One future HOF'er versus another. Both class acts. Both with sterling resumes. Cotto fighting yet another big man. Canelo would be big too, because of his following. There'd probably be more money involved, too. But it's all in what Cotto wants. Does he need the extra million? Probably not. There's also the matter of how each man has left the most recent imprint in boxing. Cotto's fresh off an impressive, though not surprising win steamroller win over Delvin Rodriguez. Canelo looked worse against Mayweather than Cotto ever did. So Canelo's stock went somewhat down, while Cotto's went somewhat up. But whatever.... both would be big fights.
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I don't know about Martinez being a HOF. That's stretching it. And there is no way in hell a Martinez fight would get Cotto more than 10 million. That's just ridiculous. So there is no "probably more money" in fighting Alvarez. It's a guarantee. Cotto has already gone on record as saying he wants the big fights that will bring him the biggest pay days. Alvarez is offering him 10 million. That's more than the 8 million he got for fighting Mayweather. What the fuck is he waiting for?I know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Well, Cotto's easy to defend. Future HOF'er, sterling resume, never ducked anybody, class act in and out of the ring. Easier to defend him than some coddled cheater. But anyway.... yeah, both would be big fights. But Cotto's in the driver's seat. He's got the career. He's got the resume. He's got nothing left to prove. It all depends on what he's looking for. Maybe it's legacy. In which case the more logical choice would be Martinez. One future HOF'er versus another. Both class acts. Both with sterling resumes. Cotto fighting yet another big man. Canelo would be big too, because of his following. There'd probably be more money involved, too. But it's all in what Cotto wants. Does he need the extra million? Probably not. There's also the matter of how each man has left the most recent imprint in boxing. Cotto's fresh off an impressive, though not surprising win steamroller win over Delvin Rodriguez. Canelo looked worse against Mayweather than Cotto ever did. So Canelo's stock went somewhat down, while Cotto's went somewhat up. But whatever.... both would be big fights.
Interesting that you don't think Martinez is HOF material. I think he's done enough to get in, but that's all subjective, I guess. We'll just have to see what Cotto wants to do. You can't argue Martinez isn't a big name, 'cause he is. The notoriety Cotto would gain from beating Sergio Martinez would be unmeasurable. But whichever way it goes, it'll be a big fight.
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Really I think it comes down to how highly one rates Pavlik's alcoholic ass if they feel Martinez is worthy. I think Martinez could use another win over a big name to say he's in. A win over Cotto would certainly do it. But this ain't about Martinez. It's about Cotto. Yes Martinez is a big fight. But lets be real here. It won't bring him anywhere close to 10 mill. And it's not a fight that's a sure win. Neither one is. Might as well get paid 10 million for losing to Alvarez, than what? Maybe 3 million for losing to Martinez. It's makes the most business sense.I don't know about Martinez being a HOF. That's stretching it. And there is no way in hell a Martinez fight would get Cotto more than 10 million. That's just ridiculous. So there is no "probably more money" in fighting Alvarez. It's a guarantee. Cotto has already gone on record as saying he wants the big fights that will bring him the biggest pay days. Alvarez is offering him 10 million. That's more than the 8 million he got for fighting Mayweather. What the fuck is he waiting for?I know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Well, Cotto's easy to defend. Future HOF'er, sterling resume, never ducked anybody, class act in and out of the ring. Easier to defend him than some coddled cheater. But anyway.... yeah, both would be big fights. But Cotto's in the driver's seat. He's got the career. He's got the resume. He's got nothing left to prove. It all depends on what he's looking for. Maybe it's legacy. In which case the more logical choice would be Martinez. One future HOF'er versus another. Both class acts. Both with sterling resumes. Cotto fighting yet another big man. Canelo would be big too, because of his following. There'd probably be more money involved, too. But it's all in what Cotto wants. Does he need the extra million? Probably not. There's also the matter of how each man has left the most recent imprint in boxing. Cotto's fresh off an impressive, though not surprising win steamroller win over Delvin Rodriguez. Canelo looked worse against Mayweather than Cotto ever did. So Canelo's stock went somewhat down, while Cotto's went somewhat up. But whatever.... both would be big fights.
Interesting that you don't think Martinez is HOF material. I think he's done enough to get in, but that's all subjective, I guess. We'll just have to see what Cotto wants to do. You can't argue Martinez isn't a big name, 'cause he is. The notoriety Cotto would gain from beating Sergio Martinez would be unmeasurable. But whichever way it goes, it'll be a big fight.
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Really I think it comes down to how highly one rates Pavlik's alcoholic ass if they feel Martinez is worthy. I think Martinez could use another win over a big name to say he's in. A win over Cotto would certainly do it. But this ain't about Martinez. It's about Cotto. Yes Martinez is a big fight. But lets be real here. It won't bring him anywhere close to 10 mill. And it's not a fight that's a sure win. Neither one is. Might as well get paid 10 million for losing to Alvarez, than what? Maybe 3 million for losing to Martinez. It's makes the most business sense.I don't know about Martinez being a HOF. That's stretching it. And there is no way in hell a Martinez fight would get Cotto more than 10 million. That's just ridiculous. So there is no "probably more money" in fighting Alvarez. It's a guarantee. Cotto has already gone on record as saying he wants the big fights that will bring him the biggest pay days. Alvarez is offering him 10 million. That's more than the 8 million he got for fighting Mayweather. What the fuck is he waiting for?I know it's in your nature to defend Cotto. That's fine. But come on. You know damn well the Alvarez fight is the only fight he should be looking at. There something there in fighting Martinez. But theres more pros in fighting Alvarez. It's a bigger fight. It's the easiest one to make. And more importantly it pays him substantially more. I don't know what he he'll make for fighting Martinez. But I doubt he clears 5 million. If even that. Against Alvarez he gets a lottery winning 10 million plus. What is there to think about?I give him a slight chance against Martinez if Sergio is really as broken down as he's looked recently. I give him no chance against Quillin. To big. To strong. To young.
Agree on all counts. Quillin is a natural MW, at 6'-1" and a 73" reach.... a whopping 6" more than Cotto. He's also younger, fresher, and packs a big wallop. Cotto on the other hand has worked his way up from 140.... and most believe 147 was his most natural weight. What he's achieved at 154 is amazing, given his small frame. But Quillin? No way.
Well, Cotto's easy to defend. Future HOF'er, sterling resume, never ducked anybody, class act in and out of the ring. Easier to defend him than some coddled cheater. But anyway.... yeah, both would be big fights. But Cotto's in the driver's seat. He's got the career. He's got the resume. He's got nothing left to prove. It all depends on what he's looking for. Maybe it's legacy. In which case the more logical choice would be Martinez. One future HOF'er versus another. Both class acts. Both with sterling resumes. Cotto fighting yet another big man. Canelo would be big too, because of his following. There'd probably be more money involved, too. But it's all in what Cotto wants. Does he need the extra million? Probably not. There's also the matter of how each man has left the most recent imprint in boxing. Cotto's fresh off an impressive, though not surprising win steamroller win over Delvin Rodriguez. Canelo looked worse against Mayweather than Cotto ever did. So Canelo's stock went somewhat down, while Cotto's went somewhat up. But whatever.... both would be big fights.
Interesting that you don't think Martinez is HOF material. I think he's done enough to get in, but that's all subjective, I guess. We'll just have to see what Cotto wants to do. You can't argue Martinez isn't a big name, 'cause he is. The notoriety Cotto would gain from beating Sergio Martinez would be unmeasurable. But whichever way it goes, it'll be a big fight.
Let's see what Cotto does. Either way, his resume is littered with big names. I swear, Cotto isn't the greatest of Puerto Rican champions in history. But his list of opponents IMO stacks up well against anyone, Puerto Rican or otherwise. How he chooses to close out his career is really up to him. It's hard to tell what the motivation will be, because we're not inside his head. It's like the trainer changes. Only Cotto knows why he's had so many in the last few years. Let's see what he does, is all I can say.
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