Thread: Chris Eubank says fighting prime Roy Jones or James Toney would have been suicide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Var1...id=P-8mBF4OASA


Starts at about 23 minutes. I know there are a lot of people who slag Roy Jones and say he ducked Eubank and others, and that Eubank would have given him serious trouble.

Here Eubank admits a) that he never had any desire to chase those big fights and b) fighting prime Roy (and James Toney) would have been suicide.

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Var1...id=P-8mBF4OASA


Starts at about 23 minutes. I know there are a lot of people who slag Roy Jones and say he ducked Eubank and others, and that Eubank would have given him serious trouble.

Here Eubank admits a) that he never had any desire to chase those big fights and b) fighting prime Roy (and James Toney) would have been suicide.

He is right. Old age and time away form the ring sometimes brings perspective and honesty.


He's said this before about Roy, but this is the first time I've read about him saying such about James Toney.

It wasn't just Eubank that Roy missed at 168. He missed Benn, Collins, Nunn, Gracianno, and Liles as well. Toney was a HUGE win for him, but he didn't take on any tough fighters at 168 after that. And while I think Roy could've beaten all of those guys, u don't get credit for mythical wins...

I've heard him say this before.

But as honest as he is, I don't believe Jones wanted any of Eubank either.

Jones ducked Collins in their primes and he's still ducking him today.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

I've heard him say this before.

But as honest as he is, I don't believe Jones wanted any of Eubank either.

Jones ducked Collins in their primes and he's still ducking him today.

In order for it to be consider a duck the fighter supposedly being ducked must actually be a threat to the fighter supposedly doing the ducking. Collins was never, ever a threat to Jones. Not than. Not now.

Credit to Eubank. He acknowledged that the 168 guys from across the pond were in their own little island and that's why it was never necessary to cross the pond and likewise for Jones and Toney. Good deal Eubank. Revising history is great, but Calzaghe wasn't relevant here til after Hatton was. There was no demand, Dariusz Michalczewski was in more demand than Joe Calzaghe or anyone else around the weight class. Dariusz got beat by Julio Gonzalez and when Roy destroyed Gonzalez, it was written off. Not fair to criticize any of these guys for not beating an American. If Jeff Lacy had never come along, no one here would have ever given a fuck about Calzaghe but he still would have been a millionaire. That era of super middleweights existed on their own island, and that is not anybody's fault. It was simply the way to make money. Fighters don't fight really to prove who's best, it's to make the most money. So does everyone else posting here.

Originally Posted by mikeeod

It wasn't just Eubank that Roy missed at 168. He missed Benn, Collins, Nunn, Gracianno, and Liles as well.

Did he miss them or did they miss him?

Benn fight never happened because Benn was promoted by Don King and Don's stipulation for making that fight was for him to get a 3 fight option on Roy (because he knew Roy would destroy his fighter and Don wanted to walk out with the winner one way or the other). Roy didn't want to deal with Don so the fight never happened.

Roy was the best p4p fighter, the guy who all these idiots should have been stepping over their mothers to fight. Why should the #1 p4p in boxing have to chase fight and conform to the stipulations of inferior fighters? These guys should have been coming to Roy, not the other way around.

Eubank was the only one of them to have the balls to admit it, but they all had the same logic as Eubank: Tiger, Eubank, Benn, Collins, ect were all making huge money fighting in their home towns and they had no desire to go over to America and risk getting destroyed by Roy Jones.

None of them were any real threat against Roy at 168. Roy or James Toney would have beaten the shit out of any of those good 'ol chaps.

Have heard Eubank say something similar before - openly admits it.

Benn wouldn't have ducked anyone.

I think Benn would have had a better chance v Jones than Eubank. Have to be honest I can't remember anything about Toney's career at Super Middle ?!?

Time to check boxrec.........

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Have heard Eubank say something similar before - openly admits it.

Benn wouldn't have ducked anyone.

I think Benn would have had a better chance v Jones than Eubank. Have to be honest I can't remember anything about Toney's career at Super Middle ?!?

Time to check boxrec.........

You must remember the Johnathan Ross show where Toney and Micky Rourke were taking the piss out of Chris and Benn.

Originally Posted by Master

You must remember the Johnathan Ross show where Toney and Micky Rourke were taking the piss out of Chris and Benn.

Yes, Toney would have murdered both guys. Nigel was a great puncher but wasn't the most skilled. A primitive fighter like him would have gotten picked apart by RJJ and Toney.

Because Roy has looked like shit for the last 10 years being washed up, people assume that all it took was a big puncher and they could have knocked Roy out in his prime. Roy was one of the hardest guys to hit clean in boxing history, and he had HUGE power at 168 in both hands.

At 168, there's nobody in the history of boxing that was more a threat to you than RJJ

LMFAO @ Roy ducking Collins.. Who the fuck is Collins? smh

VD couldnt be more correct.. One actually has to be a " threat " for anybody to duck them..

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

Have heard Eubank say something similar before - openly admits it.

Benn wouldn't have ducked anyone.

I think Benn would have had a better chance v Jones than Eubank. Have to be honest I can't remember anything about Toney's career at Super Middle ?!?

Time to check boxrec.........

You must remember the Johnathan Ross show where Toney and Micky Rourke were taking the piss out of Chris and Benn.

yes thats all remember of him at that weight though !

oh and he kayoed Nunn didnt he - that might have been middleweight ?

Yeah that was at middleweight, whipped Nunn in his own home town in Iowa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h227sP9Gc-I

James was amazing

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Yeah that was at middleweight, whipped Nunn in his own home town in Iowa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h227sP9Gc-I

James was amazing

Huge mistake on Nunn's part. He wanted to impress his crowd so he stayed in the pockets too long instead of using his legs. He could have easily won a decision had he boxed more..