Thread: Westminster "does not represent the people"

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

UKIP hasd some very valıd poınts. Beanz has saıd they espouse some rather far-rıght vıews, I am not famılıar wıth any of that but would be agaınst them ıf they do so. But Farage's speeches certaınly make a lot of sense to me.

Yes mate Farage is a good speaker, but all UKIP are is EU hating Tory's there would privatise
everything under the sun, there out look is national pride,! I do believe something must be
done about immigration, far to many taking out of the pot, far to few putting in.
I would not vote UKIP, but many will remember the other party's thinking they were a Joke
2 tory MP's have defected to UKIP in the last week or so.
What Farage is saying is what people want to hear, he's a crafty git but behind the flag waving
I feel there is not much substance in UKIP, THE OLD SAYING BUYER BEWEAR.

This man should be Prime Minister. The Artist Taxi Driver is a good man.

UK needs a brand new fresh groundbreakıng ındependent

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

UK needs a brand new fresh groundbreakıng ındependent

Maybe it does people have lost faith in politicians, out of touch and very condescending bunch
what alltuntives are there none, we are stuck with what we have got.!

The trouble is, if you challenge them. You are going nowhere. The system is a farce and a sham. Good people don't do well in any public job. You have to be a money obsessed crook to get anywhere near a good job, and unfortunately, most don't think like that.

Down with them, go your own path. Don't tell them what you do. Westminster has chosen to represent the elite, so they don't represent you. Show that back in their faces. Make the system collapse.

In the long run, it will only help you.

We have to vote Labour, with the first past the post system, any other vote is wasted.

Originally Posted by Master

We have to vote Labour, with the first past the post system, any other vote is wasted.

Your right mate but Labour are losing there grass roots support, they WERE a working mans party
set up by the working class, but what I have seen they more now lean to the middle classes.
But they are the only alternative , to the Tories the other bunch are toilet paper as are the Tories,
hopefully this madness of privatising NHS will stop.

You guys need to become radical and have no respect for the system. They respect nothing about you.
Chomsky style tax refusal and so on. Join a group, make this unison. Don't pay your taxes, when Amazon pays little. There comes a time when you have to become a freedom fighter. This system represents few British people, if only they would wake up in unison. The system is illegitimate, domestically and overseas. Fat Dave runs a criminal organisation. When you resist it is because he broke all the laws.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

You guys need to become radical and have no respect for the system. They respect nothing about you.
Chomsky style tax refusal and so on. Join a group, make this unison. Don't pay your taxes, when Amazon pays little. There comes a time when you have to become a freedom fighter. This system represents few British people, if only they would wake up in unison. The system is illegitimate, domestically and overseas. Fat Dave runs a criminal organisation. When you resist it is because he broke all the laws.

Yes they are crooks. It is a sham. They turn the poor against the poorer to divert from the bigger issues.
It's easy to say resist, but by what means? If I didn't pay tax I would end up in jail. If 10 million didn't then prison couldn't happen but a concerted effort to change normally only comes after a single intolerable event rather than the drip drip effect seen in most western democracies.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

You guys need to become radical and have no respect for the system. They respect nothing about you.
Chomsky style tax refusal and so on. Join a group, make this unison. Don't pay your taxes, when Amazon pays little. There comes a time when you have to become a freedom fighter. This system represents few British people, if only they would wake up in unison. The system is illegitimate, domestically and overseas. Fat Dave runs a criminal organisation. When you resist it is because he broke all the laws.

With all respect you have no right to tell posters in the UK what they should do. On the one hand you suggest radical action from others and then dismiss a meaningful action in voting for a radical party like the Greens as having no chance of making an impact for 10 years or ever. That is not radical, that is defeatist, from small seeds big things grow, you know this. This is a party prepared to talk about putting privatised services back into public hands, and stop the onward march of unregulated corporations that are destroying Britain and democracy.

Can I ask how many marches have you been on ? Have you fought on the streets with far right groups in Britain and Italy ? Have you broadcast undercurrents videos from stages all around the UK or played anti-criminal justice benefit gigs and stood up for the rights of others less fortunate in real life ? I do not mean to boast about myself, or berate you, but it gets tiring to hear you urging others on as though we are all, and have always been, some kind of passive sheep.

Protesting and direct action is something everyone can do but you are young and have no children etc, So there is no reason why you can not devote yourself to it. Feet on the ground, not words from Korea. We are at the sharp end here, and the less well off, disabled , elderly or young (students) are bearing the brunt of these self serving Tory scumbags policies everyday.

You say you can not come back because you would have to survive on minimum wage but you have a masters or a pHd, do you not? You could earn good money in a secure job in the growing education sector. I see many great teachers every day at Universities across my city, but also some poor ones that make me think, If i had the time,energy and money I would do my masters or a PHd, to enable me to do their job. There is no reason for you not to come and do it right now. I can hook you up with direct action and protest groups across the country and you can live the dream and be a TRUE radical. My Dad is nearly 80 and he still goes and speaks at the Marxist conference every year. You are not yet 40, what do you say?

I like the idea of not paying taxes in masses or cause civil unrest but it is so cold outside and I just do not want to get off my comfy warm sofa.

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by Gandalf

You guys need to become radical and have no respect for the system. They respect nothing about you.
Chomsky style tax refusal and so on. Join a group, make this unison. Don't pay your taxes, when Amazon pays little. There comes a time when you have to become a freedom fighter. This system represents few British people, if only they would wake up in unison. The system is illegitimate, domestically and overseas. Fat Dave runs a criminal organisation. When you resist it is because he broke all the laws.

With all respect you have no right to tell posters in the UK what they should do. On the one hand you suggest radical action from others and then dismiss a meaningful action in voting for a radical party like the Greens as having no chance of making an impact for 10 years or ever. That is not radical, that is defeatist, from small seeds big things grow, you know this. This is a party prepared to talk about putting privatised services back into public hands, and stop the onward march of unregulated corporations that are destroying Britain and democracy.

Can I ask how many marches have you been on ? Have you fought on the streets with far right groups in Britain and Italy ? Have you broadcast undercurrents videos from stages all around the UK or played anti-criminal justice benefit gigs and stood up for the rights of others less fortunate in real life ? I do not mean to boast about myself, or berate you, but it gets tiring to hear you urging others on as though we are all, and have always been, some kind of passive sheep.

Protesting and direct action is something everyone can do but you are young and have no children etc, So there is no reason why you can not devote yourself to it. Feet on the ground, not words from Korea. We are at the sharp end here, and the less well off, disabled , elderly or young (students) are bearing the brunt of these self serving Tory scumbags policies everyday.

You say you can not come back because you would have to survive on minimum wage but you have a masters or a pHd, do you not? You could earn good money in a secure job in the growing education sector. I see many great teachers every day at Universities across my city, but also some poor ones that make me think, If i had the time,energy and money I would do my masters or a PHd, to enable me to do their job. There is no reason for you not to come and do it right now. I can hook you up with direct action and protest groups across the country and you can live the dream and be a TRUE radical. My Dad is nearly 80 and he still goes and speaks at the Marxist conference every year. You are not yet 40, what do you say?

I have the same right to speak out as anyone and simply appraise the situation as an informed man. It is defeatist to say the political system has failed, but don't shoot the messenger. I did not turn the parties to finance, introduce FPTP voting, nor sell the cocaine which lines the Westminster bogs. I encouraged the Scots to be free, I speak openly, and in the interests of fellow countrymen. At least I am trying to say something. It would be easier to turn off and ignore it.

As for the Greens, I think they are the best of the bunch, but another decade later, there will perhaps be nothing to regain. Do you not see the level of national debt with everything already practically privatised? A decade later the feudal system will be complete, society will be further muddied and divided, the Greens will not be allowed to do what they want, even if they were to become big. Parties do not control this system.

Every generation has allowed its children to get worse off. Now everyone graduates with thousands of debt, children are expensive, property unaffordable etc. When you are saddled with these pressures you cannot resist and the system knows that and encourages that. That's where I say you do not need that child unless you know you can improve its quality of life, instead your job is saying no. There are ways to resist, not copying others is a start. I don't have children partly because of the cost, but also because I don't think the world is going to be all that forgiving a few decades from now. It's evil how they are now preying on the young with these student debts and saying no benefits if you don't join the university debt process. I was innocent at 17 making these choices, it is predatory and costs so much more now.

I don't think you are a sheep, but a lot of people are and they are the problem. If the resistance had strength there would not be 9000 pounds a year student fees, or 10% a year rail hikes, or bankers continuing to lord over everyone. There needs to be more and it has to be radical. Otherwise, why will they ever listen? They don't. I just feel it has to become more hardcore now.

I want to do something and it sometimes drives me mad that I don't do enough. I cannot come home though and it is a dagger in my heart. We actually had an opportunity a few years ago when my wife was offered a 2 year contract at a company there for good money, but I baulked as I was just getting into University teaching, needed more experience, and worried about conditions there for me. If there was a time when I could have returned it was then, but now she has a different job and is settled and we have just bought a new home. The time to come home has probably passed. Now immigration rules also say I must live and work there for a year earning 18000 pounds before my wife is even considered for a Visa as she would have no work lined up. There are always to kick at me. I could probably find the work, but it would take time and then a years work and when she already has stable good work? Thus she has no motivation to go.

See, it's all complex and far more than just me wanting to shake things up. I have a life and family here too, but of course my fire is based there and it infuriates me to an unhealthy degree. I cannot stand what they are doing over there. Mind you, your words have made me think and will keep me thinking. I know I need to do more and feel that quite strongly.

I was replying to your points in a hurry as I was busy and responded to your post line by line. So the the first part is more defensive as I hadn't quite got to the end, but by the end there I was seeing your point of view much more. That's why it starts frosty and then chills out. I see the obvious contradictions that exist in having become heavily politicised, but being nowhere near the fray. It's like a camel moving to the arctic and in that environment stating to anyone who will listen that the elite camels need to be got rid of as their air conditioning units are destroying the ice caps. The polar bears gather around the camel and say 'Why do you keep telling us this day in day out? There is still plenty of ice here. Why don't you just hunt for seals, dye your hair white, and just forget about all that stuff? You are too uptight. Roll in the snow, you silly camel!'.