Thread: Andre Ward- better than Floyd Mayweather?

I sincerely think so. Andre Ward has fought tougher opposition in the amateurs, fought much harder fights earlier than Floyd has... Dawson, Kessler, Froch, Green, Abraham, Bika.

The only notable fighters missing when it could have happened was Direll, Hopkins and Bute. Pascal could have gotten a good fight too. These fights can still happen if they want it to happen. Both Direll's can get it.

The P4P #1 is Andre Ward. Totally!

To me, Ward was a little more exciting as an amateur, but the professional ranks change people. He has the elusiveness of Sweet Pea, the sudden strike-reflexes of a Mike Spinks, the movement of Mayweather and the handspeed that isn't comparable to Roy Jones in his hey-day, but good enough. Power isn't a Tommy Hearns either, but we can take it.

Now that the legal challenges are out of the way, the sky is the limit for Ward. I can see him in 3 fights a year. January/February, May-early July and then late October early November.

Now with the invention of GGG, the presence of Quillin, Anthony Direll winning a title, Andre Direll back in action, Bute still stalking, Pascal needing a fight, things can happen from 160 to 175- catch-weights too.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I sincerely think so. Andre Ward has fought tougher opposition in the amateurs, fought much harder fights earlier than Floyd has... Dawson, Kessler, Froch, Green, Abraham, Bika.

The only notable fighters missing when it could have happened was Direll, Hopkins and Bute. Pascal could have gotten a good fight too. These fights can still happen if they want it to happen. Both Direll's can get it.

The P4P #1 is Andre Ward. Totally!

To me, Ward was a little more exciting as an amateur, but the professional ranks change people. He has the elusiveness of Sweet Pea, the sudden strike-reflexes of a Mike Spinks, the movement of Mayweather and the handspeed that isn't comparable to Roy Jones in his hey-day, but good enough. Power isn't a Tommy Hearns either, but we can take it.

Now that the legal challenges are out of the way, the sky is the limit for Ward. I can see him in 3 fights a year. January/February, May-early July and then late October early November.

Now with the invention of GGG, the presence of Quillin, Anthony Direll winning a title, Andre Direll back in action, Bute still stalking, Pascal needing a fight, things can happen from 160 to 175- catch-weights too.

When were all the legal challenges settled? Nobody would like that to be true more than me, but with the facts we have to hand, I treat Ward as an ex-fighter. Even If/when he does return , He'll need a fight maybe two to dust off the cobwebs, that's another year gone and no guarantee of getting to the level he was because he'll be 31 , 32, maybe 33!
Sadly, I see Ward as a fighter who had the potential to be an ATG , but a waste of a career regardless of who's fault it is.

Andre is a fantastic fighter but not on Floyd's level. Maybe soon where Andre is in his prime and Floyd is on the down slide, but prime for prime it's not close.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

I sincerely think so. Andre Ward has fought tougher opposition in the amateurs, fought much harder fights earlier than Floyd has... Dawson, Kessler, Froch, Green, Abraham, Bika.

The only notable fighters missing when it could have happened was Direll, Hopkins and Bute. Pascal could have gotten a good fight too. These fights can still happen if they want it to happen. Both Direll's can get it.

The P4P #1 is Andre Ward. Totally!

To me, Ward was a little more exciting as an amateur, but the professional ranks change people. He has the elusiveness of Sweet Pea, the sudden strike-reflexes of a Mike Spinks, the movement of Mayweather and the handspeed that isn't comparable to Roy Jones in his hey-day, but good enough. Power isn't a Tommy Hearns either, but we can take it.

Now that the legal challenges are out of the way, the sky is the limit for Ward. I can see him in 3 fights a year. January/February, May-early July and then late October early November.

Now with the invention of GGG, the presence of Quillin, Anthony Direll winning a title, Andre Direll back in action, Bute still stalking, Pascal needing a fight, things can happen from 160 to 175- catch-weights too.

Do you do drugs to incredible excess or just enough to make you this stupid?

The one aspect that I think Ward brings that Floyd does not, is the dimension of being rough on the inside when necessary. Ward is the only guy who rivals Hop in that aspect, in my opinion. I think both Floyd and Ward are world class, slick boxers when necessary. I think Floyd is a little more gifted naturally, but I think Ward is a little tougher.

Floyd did not fight for a couple of his prime years because of disagreement with Arum and Oscar?, Ward is doing the same now.

Andre Ward doesn't think he's better than Floyd, he's taken things from him and is quick to admit that. I think he's more comparable to a Hopkins myself, he doesn't have great raw speed or power compared to anyone he fights but is a supreme ring general. If you take Floyd after about the same time in the game as Ward, their resumes are pretty comparable I'd say.

I was going to type more but then I remembered who made this thread.

Why so much online abuse?

As if it isn't exactly what you're hoping for

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Why so much online abuse?

I imagine there would be a lot less online abuse if we were all meeting in a room to discuss these ridiculous threads you come up with.

floyd was nice...before he became money hoewheather

Originally Posted by p4pking

Andre Ward doesn't think he's better than Floyd, he's taken things from him and is quick to admit that. I think he's more comparable to a Hopkins myself, he doesn't have great raw speed or power compared to anyone he fights but is a supreme ring general. If you take Floyd after about the same time in the game as Ward, their resumes are pretty comparable I'd say.

I was going to type more but then I remembered who made this thread.

I swear I'm not trolling or trying to hate on Floyd, but I have to respectfully disagree with u on Floyd having a similar r comparable resume. Even at this point, I can see an argument that Ward has beaten superior competition. Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson is a phenomenal line up. Especially considering each guys prime and standing at the time Ward beat them.

No.

Originally Posted by mikeeod

Originally Posted by p4pking

Andre Ward doesn't think he's better than Floyd, he's taken things from him and is quick to admit that. I think he's more comparable to a Hopkins myself, he doesn't have great raw speed or power compared to anyone he fights but is a supreme ring general. If you take Floyd after about the same time in the game as Ward, their resumes are pretty comparable I'd say.

I was going to type more but then I remembered who made this thread.

I swear I'm not trolling or trying to hate on Floyd, but I have to respectfully disagree with u on Floyd having a similar r comparable resume. Even at this point, I can see an argument that Ward has beaten superior competition. Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson is a phenomenal line up. Especially considering each guys prime and standing at the time Ward beat them.

As long as you swear... I'm pretty sensitive

Not that's totally fair, in fact as far as time spent as a pro it's hard to argue for Floyd when I actually boxrec it Ward has been in the game almost ten years now, but I think Floyds biggest wins actually came after he had moved up past his natural weight and been pro for longer, so hard to say overall.

I put quite a bit of stock in fighters being able to move up in weight myself, and I don't think Ward is likely to match Floyd if he stays at 168, the challengers just aren't there anymore.

Originally Posted by mikeeod

I swear I'm not trolling or trying to hate on Floyd, but I have to respectfully disagree with u on Floyd having a similar r comparable resume. Even at this point, I can see an argument that Ward has beaten superior competition. Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson is a phenomenal line up. Especially considering each guys prime and standing at the time Ward beat them.

Andre has beaten more quality opposition? I don't think so.

People like to shit on Floyd's opposition but it really is underrated. You have to consider how good/respected the fighters were at the time.

For instance, we mention Arthur Abraham for Ward's credit, but in reality he was coming into the fight 1-2 in his last 3 including a complete domination by Froch.

If you think Froch, Kessler, Abraham, Bika, Green and Dawson put Andre above Floyd you're either crazy or just hating.