Thread: TREBUCHET AND WEASELS (bounders)

Basic gait patterns of weasel iS that they reach out with their front legs and bring up rear leg behind. Basic Gait Patterns

Let's look at Jack Dempsey's fighting stance referr to page 68 the basic gait patterns of Jack Dempsey are the same as that of a mongoose!https://archive.org/stream/Champions...e/n37/mode/2up
There's no evidence of circular or 90 degrees rotation of the hips rather it's horizontal like the trebuchet.
I glad that I read the article because it gives a better understanding as to the gaits of punchers like Tyson, Langford,Moore,Dempsey, marciano and his phantom punch.

You're doing a really bad job communicating what it is you're trying to say. Just to clarify, are you trying to argue that rotating the hips doesn't give you power?

Originally Posted by jms

You're doing a really bad job communicating what it is you're trying to say. Just to clarify, are you trying to argue that rotating the hips doesn't give you power?

Appreciate that dialogue jms hips are only a small percentage of the equation the fascia Lata and the feet would be the main contributors.

Following article states to keep your chest up and both feet pointed to 12 o'clock. No mention of 90 degree hip movement.http://books.google.ca/books?id=_r3v...ifting&f=false

Any movement is instigated by the hips, its your centre of gravity.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by jms

You're doing a really bad job communicating what it is you're trying to say. Just to clarify, are you trying to argue that rotating the hips doesn't give you power?

Appreciate that dialogue jms hips are only a small percentage of the equation the fascia Lata and the feet would be the main contributors.

Hips don't contribute anything at all if you really wanna get technical. Hips are JOINTS, not muscles so they physically can't generate power. But that in no way implies that moving the hips isn't important. The feet push into the ground when being powered by muscles around the hips, which allows the ground to push back into the legs and cause the general area around the pelvis (hips) to move. Edit: and of course movement within the joint is absolutely critical to punching right, or doing anything right really.

Also the fascia lata doesn't contribute either. It is, by definition, connective tissue. You're thinking the tfl, which is a muscle.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Following article states to keep your chest up and both feet pointed to 12 o'clock. No mention of 90 degree hip movement.http://books.google.ca/books?id=_r3v...ifting&f=false

Of course it doesn't mention hip rotation, it's describing a squat--ie producing power in a purely vertical direction.

Do you have even the slightest idea what you're talking about? Seriously, you seem to be in your own world.

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Following article states to keep your chest up and both feet pointed to 12 o'clock. No mention of 90 degree hip movement.Powerlifting - Dan Austin, Bryan Mann - Google Books

Of course it doesn't mention hip rotation, it's describing a squat--ie producing power in a purely vertical direction.

Do you have even the slightest idea what you're talking about? Seriously, you seem to be in your own world.

Squats are the punchers choose of exercise Boxer's Punch and Dumbbell Squat | Fitbie
When you throw across the body punch you will get hit in the ribs! Believe I was hit hard last night. Here's what I'm talking https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wdPP0TmqKiU

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by jms

You're doing a really bad job communicating what it is you're trying to say. Just to clarify, are you trying to argue that rotating the hips doesn't give you power?

Appreciate that dialogue jms hips are only a small percentage of the equation the fascia Lata and the feet would be the main contributors.

Hips don't contribute anything at all if you really wanna get technical. Hips are JOINTS, not muscles so they physically can't generate power. But that in no way implies that moving the hips isn't important. The feet push into the ground when being powered by muscles around the hips, which allows the ground to push back into the legs and cause the general area around the pelvis (hips) to move. Edit: and of course movement within the joint is absolutely critical to punching right, or doing anything right really.

Also the fascia lata doesn't contribute either. It is, by definition, connective tissue. You're thinking the tfl, which is a muscle.

Actually they contribute to everything Plus 95% of injuries occur because of them.

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by jms

You're doing a really bad job communicating what it is you're trying to say. Just to clarify, are you trying to argue that rotating the hips doesn't give you power?

Appreciate that dialogue jms hips are only a small percentage of the equation the fascia Lata and the feet would be the main contributors.

Hips don't contribute anything at all if you really wanna get technical. Hips are JOINTS, not muscles so they physically can't generate power. But that in no way implies that moving the hips isn't important. The feet push into the ground when being powered by muscles around the hips, which allows the ground to push back into the legs and cause the general area around the pelvis (hips) to move. Edit: and of course movement within the joint is absolutely critical to punching right, or doing anything right really.

Also the fascia lata doesn't contribute either. It is, by definition, connective tissue. You're thinking the tfl, which is a muscle.

Actually they contribute to everything Plus 95% of injuries occur because of them.

Scrap I mean in terms of power generation. As in neither the hips (joints) or fascia lata (connective tissue) contribute actual force. Only muscles can do that. The hips, fascia lata, and of course TFL are of course vital to a functional human body in general.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Following article states to keep your chest up and both feet pointed to 12 o'clock. No mention of 90 degree hip movement.Powerlifting - Dan Austin, Bryan Mann - Google Books

Of course it doesn't mention hip rotation, it's describing a squat--ie producing power in a purely vertical direction.

Do you have even the slightest idea what you're talking about? Seriously, you seem to be in your own world.

Squats are the punchers choose of exercise Boxer's Punch and Dumbbell Squat | Fitbie
When you throw across the body punch you will get hit in the ribs! Believe I was hit hard last night. Here's what I'm talking https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wdPP0TmqKiU

I'm well aware of how squats are beneficial to boxers. But they lack a rotational component for very obvious reasons.

That has literally nothing to do with hip rotation. He's explaining how making punches straight is more effective than making them faster.

You're all over the place man. What the hell are you even trying to say?

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by Scrap

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by jms

You're doing a really bad job communicating what it is you're trying to say. Just to clarify, are you trying to argue that rotating the hips doesn't give you power?

Appreciate that dialogue jms hips are only a small percentage of the equation the fascia Lata and the feet would be the main contributors.

Hips don't contribute anything at all if you really wanna get technical. Hips are JOINTS, not muscles so they physically can't generate power. But that in no way implies that moving the hips isn't important. The feet push into the ground when being powered by muscles around the hips, which allows the ground to push back into the legs and cause the general area around the pelvis (hips) to move. Edit: and of course movement within the joint is absolutely critical to punching right, or doing anything right really.

Also the fascia lata doesn't contribute either. It is, by definition, connective tissue. You're thinking the tfl, which is a muscle.

Actually they contribute to everything Plus 95% of injuries occur because of them.

Scrap I mean in terms of power generation. As in neither the hips (joints) or fascia lata (connective tissue) contribute actual force. Only muscles can do that. The hips, fascia lata, and of course TFL are of course vital to a functional human body in general.

But they do through touch and feel, its our structure that makes proprioceptive awareness, but i understand where you are coming from.

The power of Jack Dempsey I doubt many a man could with stand his onslaught. Here's a mathematical equation using the trebuchet to calculate why I'm KNOCK OUT artist at 16 4 guys never made it passed the first round. I don't know much about the mechanics of boxing so I'm using Virtual Trebuchet: A Web Based Trebuchet Simulator to understand my the projectile of my power. according to the equation my punch release volicity is 82.160 ft/s. Now if I could only find a real coach.

Everything starts from the floor, and you cannot turn your hips through a punch if your feet are not in the right place. To get the muscles of your body lined up properly to torque your hips, your feet have to be right.

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Originally Posted by jms

Originally Posted by BCBUD

Following article states to keep your chest up and both feet pointed to 12 o'clock. No mention of 90 degree hip movement.Powerlifting - Dan Austin, Bryan Mann - Google Books

Of course it doesn't mention hip rotation, it's describing a squat--ie producing power in a purely vertical direction.

Do you have even the slightest idea what you're talking about? Seriously, you seem to be in your own world.

Squats are the punchers choose of exercise Boxer's Punch and Dumbbell Squat | Fitbie
When you throw across the body punch you will get hit in the ribs! Believe I was hit hard last night. Here's what I'm talking https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wdPP0TmqKiU

That on that video is not what you are talking mate. That is a straight right hand, more so a vertical fist snapping shot more like a rear snap like a jab and the guy is in an upright straight on front stance. It isnt a cross with a turning thumb and rotating fist with a shift in axis from the feet through the hips (that style is committed fully so you only throw that when you are safe to do so not standing up straight in front of someone like in the video.

If you are throwing a cross like you would if you were in your preferred boxing stance: head off center, slightly squat in a comfortable perfect front stance, ready for action and for the sake of the exersize: lets say you had stepped out square and thrown a cross over a feeler of a jab, or fully slipped a jab to the otuside with it over your left shoulder and then threw a cross over it as the guy was retracting his arm (thats safe then) or the opponent being already spent on one side and off center to you after fighting sqaure on and he has moved; If you are throwing the full committed cross without a situation arising like those when its safe to so, then of course you will be getting hit in the ribs cause you are throwing the wrong shot at the wrong time nothing else,it has nothing to do with the hip revolving or not and you opening up your ribs to the opponents left hand.He shouldnt be anywhere near being able to reach your ribs on that side of you cleanly as an opening.