Thread: "the man who caused more BLACKOUTS than Con-Ed"

That's how Ernie Shavers was introduced at MSG for the fight THAT HE WON against The Greatest.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

That's how Ernie Shavers was introduced at MSG for the fight THAT HE WON against The Greatest.

And thank you for proving my point on the other thread about why Shavers must be upheld to the highest standards.

OTNB/nostalgist viewpoint: "Shavers beat Ali, Since Ali is great, Shavers must also be great", = both boxers are great.

MaxPower/modernist viewpoint: "Shavers beat Ali, Since Shavers is so shit, Ali must have been shockingly hopeless" = both boxers are worthless.

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

That's how Ernie Shavers was introduced at MSG for the fight THAT HE WON against The Greatest.

And thank you for proving my point on the other thread about why Shavers must be upheld to the highest standards.

OTNB/nostalgist viewpoint: "Shavers beat Ali, Since Ali is great, Shavers must also be great", = both boxers are great.

MaxPower/modernist viewpoint: "Shavers beat Ali, Since Shavers is so shit, Ali must have been shockingly hopeless" = both boxers are worthless.

you DO realize that every great boxing historian and writer and voting board would laugh their asses off reading the things you say right? Its OK, you can be the One Beacon of Dissent

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

That's how Ernie Shavers was introduced at MSG for the fight THAT HE WON against The Greatest.

And thank you for proving my point on the other thread about why Shavers must be upheld to the highest standards.

OTNB/nostalgist viewpoint: "Shavers beat Ali, Since Ali is great, Shavers must also be great", = both boxers are great.

MaxPower/modernist viewpoint: "Shavers beat Ali, Since Shavers is so shit, Ali must have been shockingly hopeless" = both boxers are worthless.

you DO realize that every great boxing historian and writer and voting board would laugh their asses off reading the things you say right? Its OK, you can be the One Beacon of Dissent

Boxing Histoian = generally worthless opinion altogether.
Boxing writer = only worthwhile opinion when the opinion coincides with facts
Voting board = Mostly consisting of unintelligentsia or those leftover who are allowed to vote.

Facts are facts, it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

That's how Ernie Shavers was introduced at MSG for the fight THAT HE WON against The Greatest.

And thank you for proving my point on the other thread about why Shavers must be upheld to the highest standards.

OTNB/nostalgist viewpoint: "Shavers beat Ali, Since Ali is great, Shavers must also be great", = both boxers are great.

MaxPower/modernist viewpoint: "Shavers beat Ali, Since Shavers is so shit, Ali must have been shockingly hopeless" = both boxers are worthless.

you DO realize that every great boxing historian and writer and voting board would laugh their asses off reading the things you say right? Its OK, you can be the One Beacon of Dissent

Boxing Histoian = generally worthless opinion altogether.
Boxing writer = only worthwhile opinion when the opinion coincides with facts
Voting board = Mostly consisting of unintelligentsia or those leftover who are allowed to vote.

Facts are facts, it is what it is.

All those aficionados are shit, but Maxpower knows better. Puhh-lease.

If you can quote me any historian, writer or analyst or even forum voter/poster, who presents his opinion with factual evidence that I cannot easily refute, then I will acknowledge that historian or whatever as having a valid viewpoint.

If they make a statement purely on the authority of who they are backed with nothing but their opinion which happens to fly in the face of actual facts, then I will dismiss their opinion as worthless and label them as an idiot, as I have always done.

That's what I do, expose boxing's so called "experts" for the frauds that most of them are. It's basically my second job LOL.

MaxPower= the truth.. with a little bit of humour thrown in to make it readable haha

Max you are a complete cock to call Ali worthless.

You know nothing about boxing if you say that.

Your own mother would slap you for saying that.

What more could Ali do to prove to you he was the greatest?

All I can think of is that Max Power is the son of an ex-girlfriend of Cassius Marcellus Clay.

FFAACCTT.

Originally Posted by Master

Max you are a complete cock to call Ali worthless.

You know nothing about boxing if you say that.

Your own mother would slap you for saying that.

What more could Ali do to prove to you he was the greatest?

No boxer can ever be the greatest of all time once his era is well in the past.

He COULD have been the greatest of his own time or up until that point but personally I don't think so. He could have rematched Foreman, beat Norton, beat Frazier decisively, not lost to a green cruiser bum, beat Young, beat Shavers, beat Lyle, you know, REALLY beat them.

Ali is not worthless, you are right there, but he was not all that good.

"Ali was not all that good"

Name me one boxer who is greater and has achieved more than Muhammad Ali?

Originally Posted by Master

"Ali was not all that good"

Name me one boxer who is greater and has achieved more than Muhammad Ali?

Well there's those 2 guys Wladimir Klitschko and LEnnox Lewis lol

Originally Posted by Max Power

Originally Posted by Master

"Ali was not all that good"

Name me one boxer who is greater and has achieved more than Muhammad Ali?

Well there's those 2 guys Wladimir Klitschko and LEnnox Lewis lol

LOL my ass.