Thread: If Wilder wins he wants Fury, then Klitschko

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Deontay Wilder: I'd Love To Face Fury, Then Klitschko - Boxing News

He's willing to make the fight in the UK too. That would be good? Wilder has a big task this weekend though, so he shouldn't overlook Stiverne.

Old school thinking, call out the ones at the top, then go for it, rather than Whoever my promoter wants me to fight spiel.

Gotta' like the kid's tenacity.

He says that though but it's taken 33 fights to fight somebody with a pulse

True, but I understand why.

Olympians Luis Yanez, RauShee Warren, GARY Russell JR, Demetrius Andrade
were touted as the best Olympians. Raynell Williams, Sadam Ali & Javier Molina and I think even Shawn Estrada all had way more amatuer fights overall then Wilder.

Yet the least skilled or experienced amatuer shall I say- pulled a medal.

So for those who say football players wouldn't make good boxers should know that was Wilder's goal.
But he turned to boxing knowing he could make some money- where NCAA football wasnt a guarantee he'd make it..so he turned amatuer in 2005? And won a medal in 2008? Tam you would know way better than I how difficult that is...you're a fighter.

There was no skill he could have accumulated IMO to win the medal- that was heart, will power and KO power. No fundamentals -just On the job training..& Mark Breland know this,- give him a heepin' of tomato cans, build his confidence- but his power keeps him from gaining rounds..So that IMO is why they have taken so long to get here...but guess what?
He's here now!

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

So he IS looking past Stiverne. lololol... he's nuts.

That's not what I took away from that article but that's not important.
Do you think Fury would take the place fight with Wilder?

I think Fury would take the fight with anyone. I like Fury now. He is what the division needs. Not his style, but the division needs a guy like him on any given night!

I agree, absolutely. Fury would fight anyone between him and Wald, I think he actually gets pissed off if other fighters think they can beat him.
I also think he is becoming smarter about fights. He knows as he moves up that each fight is much more important than the last. So I'm thinking he will listen to his advisors, therefore Fury is probably more than willing to anyone, but his advisors aren't.
Hopefully we'll get a chance to find out!

Well, well, well! It seems that we're all a bunch of BS artists, I didn't see one prediction that was close to what actually happened in the Wilder vs Stiverne fight. Lol
Wilder proved he can fight for twelve rounds, that he can take a punch, that he can box with some skill, and that his money punch is the jab not that big right hand.
After this performance do you think Fury and his team are more inclined or less inclined to fight Wilder. Wilder has a belt now, and has proven himself against another decent HW.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Well, well, well! It seems that we're all a bunch of BS artists, I didn't see one prediction that was close to what actually happened in the Wilder vs Stiverne fight. Lol
Wilder proved he can fight for twelve rounds, that he can take a punch, that he can box with some skill, and that his money punch is the jab not that big right hand.
After this performance do you think Fury and his team are more inclined or less inclined to fight Wilder. Wilder has a belt now, and has proven himself against another decent HW.

Id say that Stiverne was hugely over rated from beating Arreola.

Iv been saying for ages Stiverne isn't that good. Cant move his head out the way of a punch. Cant move on his feet fast enough and gets hit far too much. A heavy Berto.

Wilder proved he is not as fragile as we thought, although lots of the punches it looked like he took we saw on replay he actually rode because he saw them coming as Stiverne telegraphed them. Stiverne was so poor at being in range to punch he nearly fell through the ropes!

See the times Wilder was pressured? Just put his gloves up and stood in front of Stiverne. No skills to hold, turn or move. Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Well, well, well! It seems that we're all a bunch of BS artists, I didn't see one prediction that was close to what actually happened in the Wilder vs Stiverne fight. Lol
Wilder proved he can fight for twelve rounds, that he can take a punch, that he can box with some skill, and that his money punch is the jab not that big right hand.
After this performance do you think Fury and his team are more inclined or less inclined to fight Wilder. Wilder has a belt now, and has proven himself against another decent HW.

Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?

You could just as easily be talking about a certain other fighter there Ross...
(you're on the money with what you're saying about Wilder, but you won't apply the same logic elsewhere though? )


Remember what I've told you about having consistency in your opinions and standards?

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Well, well, well! It seems that we're all a bunch of BS artists, I didn't see one prediction that was close to what actually happened in the Wilder vs Stiverne fight. Lol
Wilder proved he can fight for twelve rounds, that he can take a punch, that he can box with some skill, and that his money punch is the jab not that big right hand.
After this performance do you think Fury and his team are more inclined or less inclined to fight Wilder. Wilder has a belt now, and has proven himself against another decent HW.

Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?

You could just as easily be talking about a certain other fighter there Ross...
(you're on the money with what you're saying about Wilder, but you won't apply the same logic elsewhere though? )


Remember what I've told you about having consistency in your opinions and standards?

Lets use the ross logic -
Stiverne is a far bigger puncher than anything that fury has faced , Wilder took shots and didn't go down.
Wilder has a better chin than fury , hits harder , and has faster hands , so how exactly is fury going to win ?
Maul him to death ?

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Deontay Wilder: I'd Love To Face Fury, Then Klitschko - Boxing News

He's willing to make the fight in the UK too. That would be good? Wilder has a big task this weekend though, so he shouldn't overlook Stiverne.

Wilder beats Fury and Wlad. White boys your reign in heavyweight boxing is coming to an end (lol)

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Well, well, well! It seems that we're all a bunch of BS artists, I didn't see one prediction that was close to what actually happened in the Wilder vs Stiverne fight. Lol
Wilder proved he can fight for twelve rounds, that he can take a punch, that he can box with some skill, and that his money punch is the jab not that big right hand.
After this performance do you think Fury and his team are more inclined or less inclined to fight Wilder. Wilder has a belt now, and has proven himself against another decent HW.

Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?

You could just as easily be talking about a certain other fighter there Ross...
(you're on the money with what you're saying about Wilder, but you won't apply the same logic elsewhere though? )


Remember what I've told you about having consistency in your opinions and standards?

I meant taller than 6,2"

If you haven't got many skills and just plod forward throwing hooks which leave you face first in the ropes your going to need to be taller.

Look at this dickhead who has just posted. Why is that acceptable?

Two oafs just fought over scraps, don't get too excited denilson.....

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Well, well, well! It seems that we're all a bunch of BS artists, I didn't see one prediction that was close to what actually happened in the Wilder vs Stiverne fight. Lol
Wilder proved he can fight for twelve rounds, that he can take a punch, that he can box with some skill, and that his money punch is the jab not that big right hand.
After this performance do you think Fury and his team are more inclined or less inclined to fight Wilder. Wilder has a belt now, and has proven himself against another decent HW.

Id say that Stiverne was hugely over rated from beating Arreola.

Iv been saying for ages Stiverne isn't that good. Cant move his head out the way of a punch. Cant move on his feet fast enough and gets hit far too much. A heavy Berto.

Wilder proved he is not as fragile as we thought, although lots of the punches it looked like he took we saw on replay he actually rode because he saw them coming as Stiverne telegraphed them. Stiverne was so poor at being in range to punch he nearly fell through the ropes!

See the times Wilder was pressured? Just put his gloves up and stood in front of Stiverne. No skills to hold, turn or move. Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?

The reason Stiverne didn't look that good is because Wilder made him look bad with an outstanding jab that didn't stop coming the entire fight, and nearly constant movement.
I was worried Wilder might punch himself out after the sixth or seventh, but he stayed calm, listened to his corner, kept that jab in Stivern's face, and basically lead Stiverne around the ring like a dog on a lead.
You say Wilder didn't get hit that much because he was rolling with the punches. Sir, that is what he has been trained to do, that's what good boxers do.
You talk like Stiverne didn't land anything at all because he was so slow. Apparently you were at the frig when they were showing some of the replays, so I'll help you out by saying that Wilder did eat some good punches and kept right on fighting.
Stiverne nearly fell through the ropes all by himself because he was exhausted from the ass kicking he was taking and out of desperation to land something solid.
Wilder did lay on the ropes, at times, late in the fight but that was to be expected as this was the first time he'd been past 4 rounds in a fight, and he was fighting in a fast paced fight. I'd like to point out that nearly every time Wilder came off the ropes he gave Stirvene a little something extra, which you probably missed because of your extreme case of tunnel vision.😊
I might as well do a little crowing myself. I've been saying, for a while, that you can't really say Wilder is a one trick pony just because he KOs everyone he fights, I think Wilder proved that last night.
That's all water under the bridge now.
ROSS, DO YOU THINK FURY AND HIS TEAM WILL TAKE THE FIGHT WITH WILDER?
I think Wilder should fight some of the big HWs before he takes on
Wlad. I know you don't think so, but there are plenty of us who think Tyson needs some more experience before he fights for a belt, especially before he fights for Wlad's belts.
What do y'all think

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Well, well, well! It seems that we're all a bunch of BS artists, I didn't see one prediction that was close to what actually happened in the Wilder vs Stiverne fight. Lol
Wilder proved he can fight for twelve rounds, that he can take a punch, that he can box with some skill, and that his money punch is the jab not that big right hand.
After this performance do you think Fury and his team are more inclined or less inclined to fight Wilder. Wilder has a belt now, and has proven himself against another decent HW.

Id say that Stiverne was hugely over rated from beating Arreola.

Iv been saying for ages Stiverne isn't that good. Cant move his head out the way of a punch. Cant move on his feet fast enough and gets hit far too much. A heavy Berto.

Wilder proved he is not as fragile as we thought, although lots of the punches it looked like he took we saw on replay he actually rode because he saw them coming as Stiverne telegraphed them. Stiverne was so poor at being in range to punch he nearly fell through the ropes!

See the times Wilder was pressured? Just put his gloves up and stood in front of Stiverne. No skills to hold, turn or move. Someone taller, quicker feet, better defence with the confidence to be in range to actually land and does Wilder do much back?

The reason Stiverne didn't look that good is because Wilder made him look bad with an outstanding jab that didn't stop coming the entire fight, and nearly constant movement.
I was worried Wilder might punch himself out after the sixth or seventh, but he stayed calm, listened to his corner, kept that jab in Stivern's face, and basically lead Stiverne around the ring like a dog on a lead.
You say Wilder didn't get hit that much because he was rolling with the punches. Sir, that is what he has been trained to do, that's what good boxers do.
You talk like Stiverne didn't land anything at all because he was so slow. Apparently you were at the frig when they were showing some of the replays, so I'll help you out by saying that Wilder did eat some good punches and kept right on fighting.
Stiverne nearly fell through the ropes all by himself because he was exhausted from the ass kicking he was taking and out of desperation to land something solid.
Wilder did lay on the ropes, at times, late in the fight but that was to be expected as this was the first time he'd been past 4 rounds in a fight, and he was fighting in a fast paced fight. I'd like to point out that nearly every time Wilder came off the ropes he gave Stirvene a little something extra, which you probably missed because of your extreme case of tunnel vision.😊
I might as well do a little crowing myself. I've been saying, for a while, that you can't really say Wilder is a one trick pony just because he KOs everyone he fights, I think Wilder proved that last night.
That's all water under the bridge now.
ROSS, DO YOU THINK FURY AND HIS TEAM WILL TAKE THE FIGHT WITH WILDER?
I think Wilder should fight some of the big HWs before he takes on
Wlad. I know you don't think so, but there are plenty of us who think Tyson needs some more experience before he fights for a belt, especially before he fights for Wlad's belts.
What do y'all think

Stiverne didn't look that good because he isn't that good. He already has a stoppage loss and a draw. I have said previously I don't think he's very good. Its not hind site.

Do I think Fury would take the fight?

They already tried making that fight when Haye pulled out. You think now its a massive fight with a world title on the line that they wouldnt?

Wilder has a nice jab. He got invaluable experience last night but the way he reacted under Stivernes ineffective pressure by just clamming up would be a worry for his team. He needs a defence against probably Arreola. Someone who can push him but would never get past his jab.

Ross, when you talk about an opponent only being 6 foot 2, do you Christian (not a world title holder' Hammer?

I'm assuming that the 'ineffective, come forward plodder' you were talking about Derrick 'not a world title holder' Chisora?

Just curious? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Ross, when you talk about an opponent only being 6 foot 2, do you Christian (not a world title holder' Hammer?

I'm assuming that the 'ineffective, come forward plodder' you were talking about Derrick 'not a world title holder' Chisora?

Just curious? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Read it again...

Im saying if you have little skill you will need size. Chisora actually can work, move his feet and his upper body. If you are poor in those areas and cant even match up size wise either you are fucked. Chisora probably beats Stiverne.

Would Stiverne have reached the final bell with Vitali?

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Ross, when you talk about an opponent only being 6 foot 2, do you Christian (not a world title holder' Hammer?

I'm assuming that the 'ineffective, come forward plodder' you were talking about Derrick 'not a world title holder' Chisora?

Just curious? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Read it again...

Im saying if you have little skill you will need size. Chisora actually can work, move his feet and his upper body. If you are poor in those areas and cant even match up size wise either you are fucked. Chisora probably beats Stiverne.

Would Stiverne have reached the final bell with Vitali?

Fury is very easy to hit, Wilder will hit him, end of. Hope Tyson gets some money for his last 'serious' heavyweight fight. If he gets past Hans Christian Anderson, and gets the shot against Deontay, then thats about his swansong.

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Ross, when you talk about an opponent only being 6 foot 2, do you Christian (not a world title holder' Hammer?

I'm assuming that the 'ineffective, come forward plodder' you were talking about Derrick 'not a world title holder' Chisora?

Just curious? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Read it again...

Im saying if you have little skill you will need size.

I know! I've been saying this all along about Fury!

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Ross, when you talk about an opponent only being 6 foot 2, do you Christian (not a world title holder' Hammer?

I'm assuming that the 'ineffective, come forward plodder' you were talking about Derrick 'not a world title holder' Chisora?

Just curious? Have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Read it again...

Im saying if you have little skill you will need size.

I know! I've been saying this all along about Fury!

I know. Its only ignorance.