Thread: Ward v Froch - negotiations underway says Hearn

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by smashup

Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?

yep

if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him

still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in

yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching

I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.

Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years

you dont do that if youre poor technically

ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights

yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat

1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.

how ever you look at it he beat taylor, dirrell, groves, abraham and kessler and all that wasnt just because of his chin and his fitness

everyone said abraham would beat him as well as bute

over the last few years the SMW division has been a strong division, how many divisions have been stronger over that time? name them

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by smashup

Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?

yep

if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him

still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in

yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching

I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.

Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years

you dont do that if youre poor technically

ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights

yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat

1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.

how ever you look at it he beat taylor, dirrell, groves, abraham and kessler and all that wasnt just because of his chin and his fitness

everyone said abraham would beat him as well as bute

over the last few years the SMW division has been a strong division, how many divisions have been stronger over that time? name them

Come on , for fucks sake.
1.It was because of his chin and fitness.
2. Who said Abraham would beat him? He'd done fuck all at SMW. Bute ,I'll give you that ,people (me included) thought Bute would beat him. But we saw what Bute was about that night. I admit , I got that one wrong.
3. Welterweight, light Welter, Light Middle, Middle , super featherweight, super bantamweight, have all been stronger than SMW. I thinK you're a bit confused, this isn't the era of Benn, Eubank,Collins, Toney, RJJ, McClelland and McCallum. This is :
Ward - hasn't fought for 2 1/2 years
Froch - hasn't fought for a year
Abraham - blown up MW
Dirrell - beat Sakio Bika ..... And that's it'!!!!
The other Dirrell - had 6 fights in 6 years against nobodies
Kessler - his best days were when Calzaghe beat him. Downhill after that.
Degale - has beat nobody yet - unproven
Groves - has beat Degale and nobody else.- unproven
Stieglitz - do me a fuckin favour
Paul Smith - has had 2 World title shots despite being knocked out twice at British level.
Yeah, this is really the ELITE division!

BBC Sport - Carl Froch: WBA champion to pursue acting career
Read this and tell me he's interested in fighting Ward! I said that Eddie Hearnwas talking shite!

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by smashup

Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?

yep

if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him

still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in

yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching

I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.

Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years

you dont do that if youre poor technically

ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights

yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat

1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.

how ever you look at it he beat taylor, dirrell, groves, abraham and kessler and all that wasnt just because of his chin and his fitness

everyone said abraham would beat him as well as bute

over the last few years the SMW division has been a strong division, how many divisions have been stronger over that time? name them

Come on , for fucks sake.
1.It was because of his chin and fitness.
2. Who said Abraham would beat him? He'd done fuck all at SMW. Bute ,I'll give you that ,people (me included) thought Bute would beat him. But we saw what Bute was about that night. I admit , I got that one wrong.
3. Welterweight, light Welter, Light Middle, Middle , super featherweight, super bantamweight, have all been stronger than SMW. I thinK you're a bit confused, this isn't the era of Benn, Eubank,Collins, Toney, RJJ, McClelland and McCallum. This is :
Ward - hasn't fought for 2 1/2 years
Froch - hasn't fought for a year
Abraham - blown up MW
Dirrell - beat Sakio Bika ..... And that's it'!!!!
The other Dirrell - had 6 fights in 6 years against nobodies
Kessler - his best days were when Calzaghe beat him. Downhill after that.
Degale - has beat nobody yet - unproven
Groves - has beat Degale and nobody else.- unproven
Stieglitz - do me a fuckin favour
Paul Smith - has had 2 World title shots despite being knocked out twice at British level.
Yeah, this is really the ELITE division!

You have it all worked out don't you

All those rubbish fighters, none of them fought anyone

Super middles are rubbish coz of Paul smith, that's a fact isn't it?

All of those divisions better than super middle, what a wealth of talent there's been in the middleweight division, and the light welter, all those top fighters fighting each other


Joking aside tho, I'd say over 90% of posters on here said Abraham would beat froch

Come on guys.

Put yourself in froch shoes.

Do you really think he would want to end his career on another loss?

He wants to retire or take up acting and he even admitted he wants a major money fight in Vegas.!

Why do you think everyone wants Chavez jr?

Froch has decided he has done enough in the sport of boxing and even though he was getting outboxed by groves..he came back at the end of the fight like always in the first fight, and knocked him out in the rematch.

JC never took on young buck like groves towards the end of his career but Froch has proven he will fight anyone anywhere!

Ward beats all eras of Froch and its a shame but that really is a fact.

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by smashup

Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?

yep

if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him

still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in

yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching

I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.

Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years

you dont do that if youre poor technically

ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights

yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat

1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.

how ever you look at it he beat taylor, dirrell, groves, abraham and kessler and all that wasnt just because of his chin and his fitness

everyone said abraham would beat him as well as bute

over the last few years the SMW division has been a strong division, how many divisions have been stronger over that time? name them

Come on , for fucks sake.
1.It was because of his chin and fitness.
2. Who said Abraham would beat him? He'd done fuck all at SMW. Bute ,I'll give you that ,people (me included) thought Bute would beat him. But we saw what Bute was about that night. I admit , I got that one wrong.
3. Welterweight, light Welter, Light Middle, Middle , super featherweight, super bantamweight, have all been stronger than SMW. I thinK you're a bit confused, this isn't the era of Benn, Eubank,Collins, Toney, RJJ, McClelland and McCallum. This is :
Ward - hasn't fought for 2 1/2 years
Froch - hasn't fought for a year
Abraham - blown up MW
Dirrell - beat Sakio Bika ..... And that's it'!!!!
The other Dirrell - had 6 fights in 6 years against nobodies
Kessler - his best days were when Calzaghe beat him. Downhill after that.
Degale - has beat nobody yet - unproven
Groves - has beat Degale and nobody else.- unproven
Stieglitz - do me a fuckin favour
Paul Smith - has had 2 World title shots despite being knocked out twice at British level.
Yeah, this is really the ELITE division!

You have it all worked out don't you

All those rubbish fighters, none of them fought anyone

Super middles are rubbish coz of Paul smith, that's a fact isn't it?

All of those divisions better than super middle, what a wealth of talent there's been in the middleweight division, and the light welter, all those top fighters fighting each other


Joking aside tho, I'd say over 90% of posters on here said Abraham would beat froch

I'll take your word for it. I did say I thought technically the Abraham fight was his best, but now either he fights a meaningful fight (i.e. Not Chavez) or retire. I would respect him if he did retire. His head obviously ain't in it, and if his head ain't in it , he could even lose to Chavez. And he would regret that for the rest of his life.

Froch, 37, will make his screen debut in a film called Once Upon a Time In London.
The Nottingham fighter has consulted industry legends such as Samuel L Jackson for tips and said he will play a "tough guy or a villain".

"I'll probably be chucking someone in the River Thames," said Froch.

Froch, who admits he is "in a bit of a dilemma" whether he should continue his boxing career, would not be the first fighter to swap the sweat of the gym for the glare of the camera.

Former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson played a cameo role in recent Hollywood hit The Hangover, while Irish former middleweight champion Steve Collins held a minor part in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.

"I'm by no stage of the imagination an actor, I don't think you're listening to the next Robert De Niro," Froch told BBC Radio 5 live.

"[Former footballer] Vinnie Jones did well out of it, I think [former Commonwealth diver] Jason Statham did well from no real experience and they've gone on to have good careers.

"When I was on the Jonathan Ross Show I met Sir Ben Kingsley - acting royalty - I've met Samuel L Jackson, Michael Douglas. I've been talking to them and asking how they got into it. Nobody became a superstar overnight.

"A lot of the time they play themselves, so that was the advice: be yourself."
Froch, who has 33 wins from 35 fights, last competed when he knocked out George Groves at Wembley Stadium in May 2014.

He has since appeared on BBC gymnastics show Tumble and said he was envious of former Manchester United striker Dion Dublin, who has landed a role presenting Homes under the Hammer.

He vacated the IBF world title earlier this year and fellow Briton James DeGale will now fight American Andre Dirrell for the belt on 23 May.

Froch added: "The only two things left for me to do would be to fight at the Nottingham Forest City Ground that'll hold 30,000 and they'll be all loyal my fans, or in Las Vegas.
"[Mexico's] Julio Cesar Chavez Junior is fighting in April and that's a fight that could still happen for me in August or September."

You can listen to Carl Froch's interview on BBC 5 live in short.

BBC Sport - Carl Froch: WBA champion to pursue acting career

http://youtu.be/zroWAUlSh4I

Froch interview after the Brook fight

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

http://youtu.be/zroWAUlSh4I

Froch interview after the Brook fight

"Barry Hearn advised him to retire". Sensible and genuine advice IMO .

I heard about Froch being in a movie and reckon he might actually do well at it 😉

It's the perfect time to fight for Froch, he's riding a hot streak and Andre has been cooling down on the sidelines.

Froch needs this fight for his legacy. If he never fights and beats Ward, as good as he was he'll always go down as AT BEST being second fiddle to Ward.

Gr8 Points from Eric & Primo.

Abraham was considered the man going into the tourney & Froch wasn't expected to box him & well. Most, myself included thought it would be a slug fest. Props to Froch for showing another level to his game.

I think the SMW was Gr8 then & also think that Froch's best asset was/is his inner strength. I agree Dirrell was outboxing him. Yes he was getting outboxed & decked by Taylor. But when it is all said & done do we gripe or nitpick how a fighter wins? Or de we consider that is what Gr8 fighters do?

Gr8 fighters find a way to win, that is what makes Froch a Grrreeeaat fighter IMO.

Ward has said he is willing to fight in England. I think he has no choice.

Andre Ward: I'd Go To The UK, Froch Pick Up The Phone! - Boxing News

Froch: Andre Ward Not Coming To UK, It's All Hot Air! - Boxing News

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

Andre Ward: I'd Go To The UK, Froch Pick Up The Phone! - Boxing News

Froch: Andre Ward Not Coming To UK, It's All Hot Air! - Boxing News

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It's quite clear I'm not a great fan of Carl Froch, but I'm beginning to get bored of BOTH these jokers. This fight clearly won't happen, but they both want to talk crap all day long about it. Ward talks about coming to Wembley, this ,that, the other. He's been in this new contract since January, was supposed to fight End of March/Early April, he hasn't even announced a fight yet. Both of these idiots want everyone to talk about them and clearly miss the limelight, so they drop a bullshit bomb in now and again just to keep them relevant.
The worst thing is that these 2 are clearly the top of the division by a country mile in most people's opinions , yet by the time they step between the ropes (if ever again), they would've been out of the ring 18 months and 3 years respectively. What does that say about the rest of this so-called strong division?
if the governing bodies had any bollocks whatsoever, they would strip both of them of any and every title they have and make them fight eliminators for the right .