Thread: Bowe vs Holyfield II

Or Bowe sucker punching Larry Donald bare-knuckle at a press conference.

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

6-5-1 even for Holy.

Please explain how you stole one from 1,2,3, 9, 10 or 12 from Bowe. I'd really like to know because I don't see any of them as even debatable.

As for who the fan man helped, tough to say. Bowe was winning the 7th big when the fan man came and I ended up giving it to Holy and the 8th. So I'd say it favored Holy. Sooner or later Bowe was bound to get back to his jab and take control back which he did in the 9th.

Spicoli, Master & Mike don't need to explain, but I do? Why?

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

6-5-1 even for Holy.

Please explain how you stole one from 1,2,3, 9, 10 or 12 from Bowe. I'd really like to know because I don't see any of them as even debatable.

As for who the fan man helped, tough to say. Bowe was winning the 7th big when the fan man came and I ended up giving it to Holy and the 8th. So I'd say it favored Holy. Sooner or later Bowe was bound to get back to his jab and take control back which he did in the 9th.

Spicoli, Master & Mike don't need to explain, but I do? Why?

I'm going back for them, been gone all day

Originally Posted by mikeeod

I had Evander winning the fight and felt like Bowe benefitted greatly from the fan man interruption. It's funny that Riddick won that series 2-1 and yet many feel that he suffered more wear n tear n negative effects than Evander. Those were great heavyweight fights, in my opinion.

Interesting fact: one of the main guys beating fan man with a phone (from Bowe's "security") is the same guy who started the MSG riot by hitting Golota with the phone. For Bowe controversies don't forget the Pierre Coetzee low blows (from Bowe) or the punch on Mathis jr. while he was on a knee.

Then you must have given Holy one of 1,2, 3, 9, 10, 12. Please explain how People keep saying they gave it to Holy and I'd like to hear an explanation from someone. Which of these rounds did you gift to Holy, it must be the 10th and that seems preposterous. Explain your score please. I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely curious how the fuck anyone could give Holy any of those rounds.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

On live watch had it 115-113 Holyfield. Bowe should have spent less time thinking about putting refrigerators in his bedroom. I'm on the other side and thought idiot fan man 'helped' Bowe get second wind after Holyfield took 4,5,6 having Bowe cut and wobbled in 5th. Bowe found his jab start of 7th though, and then the fool from above. Didn't that guy end up committing suicide? Man I miss Mills Lane!

So which did you steal from Bowe? It's a waste of time asking because it must be round 10. 1,2, 3, 9, and 12 are just too f'n obvious. Will you please explain HTF you gave Holy round 10?

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by Spicoli

On live watch had it 115-113 Holyfield. Bowe should have spent less time thinking about putting refrigerators in his bedroom. I'm on the other side and thought idiot fan man 'helped' Bowe get second wind after Holyfield took 4,5,6 having Bowe cut and wobbled in 5th. Bowe found his jab start of 7th though, and then the fool from above. Didn't that guy end up committing suicide? Man I miss Mills Lane!

So which did you steal from Bowe? It's a waste of time asking because it must be round 10. 1,2, 3, 9, and 12 are just too f'n obvious. Will you please explain HTF you gave Holy round 10?

from memory I think I may have Bowe winning but the perception was he was lazy and compared to the first fight he was not as dominate with that jab. Holyfield also had a nice rhythm with the combination after the delay and won most of the rounds.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by Spicoli

On live watch had it 115-113 Holyfield. Bowe should have spent less time thinking about putting refrigerators in his bedroom. I'm on the other side and thought idiot fan man 'helped' Bowe get second wind after Holyfield took 4,5,6 having Bowe cut and wobbled in 5th. Bowe found his jab start of 7th though, and then the fool from above. Didn't that guy end up committing suicide? Man I miss Mills Lane!

So which did you steal from Bowe? It's a waste of time asking because it must be round 10. 1,2, 3, 9, and 12 are just too f'n obvious. Will you please explain HTF you gave Holy round 10?

from memory I think I may have Bowe winning but the perception was he was lazy and compared to the first fight he was not as dominate with that jab. Holyfield also had a nice rhythm with the combination after the delay and won most of the rounds.

He was lazy, but when he used it the jab was dominant snapping Evanders head back over and over. It was a piss poor performance really as Bowe looked gassed by the 5th. The announcers were questioning his training. But I suggest you watch it again. When Bowe jabbed he controlled the fight. I was surprised with my score when I was finished. I had it a draw but Holys rounds were much closer. Of 1,2,3, 9, 10, 12 round 10 is the only one that was close and it wasn't that close.

I agree it was close fight and that means Holyfield may have deserved the decision. It was not a robbery but a close fight. Bowe's jab caused major problems for Evander but when Holyfield got past that jab and landed his combinations he was perceived to be winning the rounds.

Again perception was Bowe should easily win against the smaller and older fighter but did not do enough, even as champion, to dominate the underdog we all love.

Originally Posted by Master

I agree it was close fight and that means Holyfield may have deserved the decision. It was not a robbery but a close fight. Bowe's jab caused major problems for Evander but when Holyfield got past that jab and landed his combinations he was perceived to be winning the rounds.

Again perception was Bowe should easily win against the smaller and older fighter but did not do enough, even as champion, to dominate the underdog we all love.

I don't think of it as a robbery. I just was surprised that I think it is impossible to give to Holy. I thought he won it 7-5 but going back I just can't see how any of the rounds I keep listing could possibly go to Holy. They seem quite clear. I thought of it as a fight where Holy won the night more than the fight. But upon rewatching I don't think he won the night. He did throw the flashier punches, he was the more exciting fighter, and Bowe did look undertrained and ragged. But if you land more, cleaner and harder you win rounds. I was surprised who I kept giving rounds to and thinking "that wasn't close". I watch fights every day as I shower and shave etcetera. I don't score fights when I do this, it's just a chance to watch more fights. But after the first 3 were so clearly to Bowe because Holy did nothing I wondered. So I kept score. I didn't remember this fight as being even controversial. But it is.

You are going to make me watch the fight again arnt you?

What about Lennox v Holyfield 2, that was close and should have been controversial but because of the robbery in the first fight they did not make a fuss about it.

Haha, no, I'll drop it. I was just very surprised.

As for LL/Holy II, I'll watch that tomorrow. I remember being furious about the first because it was so clearly a Lewis win. I may have scored the second with bias. I remember thinking it was closer but I think I scored it for Lewis. Will be interesting to score it again and see if my anger over the first had an effect.

Thank you brother Ron for starting this thread. From the first time I saw the fight live to now I still believe Bowe won a very close fight. In fact the fan man saved Holyfield ass. Bowe was jacking his ass up just before the dude came in the ring.

Originally Posted by mrbig1

Thank you brother Ron for starting this thread. From the first time I saw the fight live to now I still believe Bowe won a very close fight. In fact the fan man saved Holyfield ass. Bowe was jacking his ass up just before the dude came in the ring.

It was like Evander paid fan man to come in and disrupt the fight.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by mrbig1

Thank you brother Ron for starting this thread. From the first time I saw the fight live to now I still believe Bowe won a very close fight. In fact the fan man saved Holyfield ass. Bowe was jacking his ass up just before the dude came in the ring.

It was like Evander paid fan man to come in and disrupt the fight.

Very good sir. and funny.

Thought Holyfeild did more then enough to win the rematch and was really giving it to Bowe more so then Bowe did Holyfeild also Holyfeild out worked him. Since your kind of a Holyfield hater and jabber on about how terrible he is for drug abuse even though he never failed a test in 26 years yet yea he is only juicer and playing field was not even right. The fact that you have it close pretty much means Holyfeild won and the rematch was really close with Lewis but after that first fuck up there was no way in hell that Holyfeild was ever going to win that fight pretty much.