Thread: Glaring flaws in great fighters.

Some of the greatest fighters of all time had big, glaring flaws in their game, that caused some of their fights to be tougher than they should have been. Who are some fighters, and what were their flaws?

Well after a time as middleweight champion Bernard Hopkins basically just did math in the ring, and would win the early rounds take a rest in the middle rounds then pour it on for the later rounds so it was just a matter of stealing rounds from him to keep him from resting midway through the fight....easier said than done though.

Ali tired too much and took long times off in rounds...

Foreman was a terrible counter-puncher...

Oscar DLH never won out tough fights... he didn't have the grit...

Shane Mosely never liked to get punched back... good counter-puncher, but when you hit him with combos, he backs off...

Tyson gave up on himself in the ring... more than once... Douglas, Holyfield he just gave up...

Chavez was a slow puncher... you can see his punches a mile off... he couldn't beat anyone with great head movement and reflexes, ala Sweet Pea Whitaker.

Cotto has little to NO head movement... that's why Pac beat him to a crisp...

Manny gets hit way too often... because he is always coming forward, throwing punches. Very rarely back fought and boxed on the back foot.

Sugar Ray, for as fast as he was, was always second in the exchanges. Watch closely his fight with Duran, both with Hearns and with Hagler, even though he won most of them, he was ALWAYS second in the exchanges. What he made up for it was with fast combinations, because he had natural talent.

Roy... kept his hands down way too often... tis why he got knocked out by Johnson and Tarver like he did.

Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Ali tired too much and took long times off in rounds...

Foreman was a terrible counter-puncher...

Oscar DLH never won out tough fights... he didn't have the grit...

Shane Mosely never liked to get punched back... good counter-puncher, but when you hit him with combos, he backs off...

Tyson gave up on himself in the ring... more than once... Douglas, Holyfield he just gave up...

Chavez was a slow puncher... you can see his punches a mile off... he couldn't beat anyone with great head movement and reflexes, ala Sweet Pea Whitaker.

Cotto has little to NO head movement... that's why Pac beat him to a crisp...

Manny gets hit way too often... because he is always coming forward, throwing punches. Very rarely back fought and boxed on the back foot.

Sugar Ray, for as fast as he was, was always second in the exchanges. Watch closely his fight with Duran, both with Hearns and with Hagler, even though he won most of them, he was ALWAYS second in the exchanges. What he made up for it was with fast combinations, because he had natural talent.

Roy... kept his hands down way too often... tis why he got knocked out by Johnson and Tarver like he did.

I disagree with just about every one of these

Ali had loads never punched to the body, relied on his reflexes and later his chin, carried his hand too low, moved around too much and wasted a lot of energy. Still great though.

Leonard got too involved in being a warrior against Duran the first time.

Hearns had a suspect chin and maybe relied on his power too much.

How about Pacquiao? His lack of an inside game.

He looked totally clueless when Bradley clinched him in their rematch.

Originally Posted by VG_Addict

How about Pacquiao? His lack of an inside game.

He looked totally clueless when Bradley clinched him in their rematch.

Manny has loads but gets away with it through his fitness, speed, conditioning and power.

So did Roy Jones for that matter.

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by VG_Addict

How about Pacquiao? His lack of an inside game.

He looked totally clueless when Bradley clinched him in their rematch.

Manny has loads but gets away with it through his fitness, speed, conditioning and power.

So did Roy Jones for that matter.

Agreed. If you are an ATG and have a glaring flaw, it means that your strengths are magnified. Like pac is always opened for a counter but most people are afraid to go for it because he may hit you in the process. Same with Jones.

Roy Jones did not jab enough.

Duran and James Toney had slow feet.
Willie Pep and Sweet Pea Whitaker lacked fight ending power (Hurtado k.o. was a fluke).
Prime Foreman lacked the ability to pace himself/stamina.

Originally Posted by mikeeod

Duran and James Toney had slow feet.
Willie Pep and Sweet Pea Whitaker lacked fight ending power (Hurtado k.o. was a fluke).
Prime Foreman lacked the ability to pace himself/stamina.

Then Mike McCallum did not have fight ending power except the Donald Curry fight.

BTW, I'm talking about fighting flaws. Like, technical flaws.

Originally Posted by VG_Addict

BTW, I'm talking about fighting flaws. Like, technical flaws.

I know but milkeeod started it.

Paul Williams - Crouching, fighting low

Kelly Pavlik - Not making any time of improvements as a fighter as his career progressed.

Jermain Taylor - See above

Terry Norris - Leaving himself completely open to counters during exchanges or while he's delivering punches. Protect yourself at all times. If you go back and look at every time he was ko'ed, it's because of this reason.

Jones Jr never fully developed the fundamentals
Holyfields heart was bigger than his brain. Sometimes
Tapia. Demons..RIP champ
Norris lacked discipline and went to war with a thin chin
Zaragoza suffered cuts at just the thought of shaving in the morning
Toney could be a slob and he timed fought ninety seconds of a round