Thread: I think...

... considering Sugar Ray Robinson's career... his style... technique... chin... endurance... and his power... he could compete in this current era very, very easily. Could be a long-standing champion too.

I don't think we understood how great of a champion Ray Robinson was. I would have loved to have seen a prime for prime Robinson vs. Julio Cesar Chavez. 15 rounder. It would have been epic.

Ultimate Welterweight showdown for all the marbles:
Robinson
De La Hoya
JCC
Mayweather Jr.
Lamotta
Leonard
Hearns
Trinidad

Where do you rank them? How do you set the pools up?

He was a great fighter, not sure JCC was in his best weight division at ww, would have loved to see the 2 sugar ray's fighting.
I think SRR's only weakness was he cut , apart from that he was a complete fighting machine.

1Robinson
4De La Hoya
3JCC
5Mayweather Jr.
8Lamotta
2Leonard
6Hearns
7Trinidad

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

1Robinson
4De La Hoya
3JCC
5Mayweather Jr.
8Lamotta
2Leonard
6Hearns
7Trinidad

Could you explain your criteria? Clearly you don't have them arranged by who was best so I'm curious how you have sorted them

I think SRR ko's Hearns

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

1Robinson
4De La Hoya
3JCC
5Mayweather Jr.
8Lamotta
2Leonard
6Hearns
7Trinidad

Could you explain your criteria? Clearly you don't have them arranged by who was best so I'm curious how you have sorted them

By who was best? you're acting like you're subjective opinion about who is best was supposed to influence my choice of who I thought was best!

Nobody beats Sugar Ray Robinson or Sugar Ray Leonard let's get that straight right now. And you be hard pressed to find anybody who could be the prime Julio Cesar Chavez. That's why they are ranked 1 2 & 3. There's no question that LaMotta and Trinidad with the least talented of the lot and so that's why they're ranked 7th and 8th

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by Ron Swanson

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

1Robinson
4De La Hoya
3JCC
5Mayweather Jr.
8Lamotta
2Leonard
6Hearns
7Trinidad

Could you explain your criteria? Clearly you don't have them arranged by who was best so I'm curious how you have sorted them

By who was best? you're acting like you're subjective opinion about who is best was supposed to influence my choice of who I thought was best!

Nobody beats Sugar Ray Robinson or Sugar Ray Leonard let's get that straight right now. And you be hard pressed to find anybody who could be the prime Julio Cesar Chavez. That's why they are ranked 1 2 & 3. There's no question that LaMotta and Trinidad with the least talented of the lot and so that's why they're ranked 7th and 8th

At WW? Or just at their best weight? Are you arranging them by a P4P sense? JCC was not a great WW, so the I wondered your criteria.

If I had a time machine these are 16 guys I'd gather for a welter weight storm in no particular order.

Hearns
Napoles
Leonard
Robinson
Griffith
Armstrong
Langford
Benitez
Mayweather
Mclarnin
Gavilan
Walcott
Lewis. Ted not Henry
Burley
Ryan
Basilio

I suspect Robinson with the health benefits of this era would be at least 6'3" and 175lbs if he were around today. With training camps, proper dietary methods and only fighting two/three times a year, Robinson might have retired unbeaten in 60/70 fights with titles from Super Middle up to Heavyweight.

Originally Posted by Britkid

I suspect Robinson with the health benefits of this era would be at least 6'3" and 175lbs if he were around today. With training camps, proper dietary methods and only fighting two/three times a year, Robinson might have retired unbeaten in 60/70 fights with titles from Super Middle up to Heavyweight.

When Ray lost that fight after 124 bouts? Wasn't he tricking for kitty-kat the night before? With Las Vegas ring card girls today. He probably loses a few bouts due to dehydrating/draining himself in a deluxe jacuzzi suite surrounded by 3-5 bad azz hoes.

65 years since he beat bobo olson they showed one of his fights against him and he was perfect.

Robinson would have been a multi weight champion. Sugar man was the original money man and negotiated hard for his money. He would make Floyd look like Gandhi when it comes to getting every last dollar.