Thread: Wlad is seriously risking his health in rematch

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

HahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAA!

Tyson Fury has charisma, personality, and is a great, exciting role model. Spontaneous, fun and happy.

everything the Robot of Kiev was NOT.

Tyson Fury is no role model.

Really?

Tyson has just proved with hard work alone you can achieve the staus as best in the world?

He hasnt had big media hype like Joshua is getting, in fact quite the opposite! Hes had rival promoters, fighters, "fans", little pussies who cant change their names because they lost a bet @Dark Lord Al on forums, boxing writers etc etc etc all deriding him for years!

Hes just beaten the best heavyweight for years through sheer hard work, skill and determination proving if you want something bad enough and willing to put the work in you can achieve it and thats no role model?

Maybe convicted drug dealer Joshua should be? The only blemish Tyson has on his record is a speeding ticket! Maybe Tyson should have lost before he complained about his toes and he can be a hero like Haye! Only heros lose.

Some people will never give him respect and thats fine but get ready to kiss your vaginas better because Tyson is going to continue making a mug of you and the competition!

Yes fucking really Ross. Seriously if you take your head out of the clouds for one minute and breathe some rather less rarefied air you may start to see things with a little bit more perspective.

1. Fury often acts like an idiot, but even for an idiot, threatening a respected journalist (Oliver Holt) who asks a perfectly innocent question and then decides to disagree with your answer and opinion with the following is beyond the pale

Of Holt, Fury says: “See big Shane there? Have a look at big Shane. He’s 6ft 6inch and 25 stone. He’s going to break his jaw completely with one straight right hand. I ain’t going to do it, ‘cos I’ll get in trouble. But the big fellah, there – he’ll annihilate him, won’t he? So Oliver, take a good look at him, ‘cos that’s the face you’re going to see before you hit the deck.”

Fury then points to another member of his entourage: “That’s the face you’re going to see when he’s jumping on your head. What are you going to do to him, Cliff?” The man called Cliff replies: “I’m going to f*** him up.”



Tyson Fury's hatred is a lot more dangerous than his boxing - Telegraph


2. His performances and conditioning leading up to this have hardly set the world on fire and no amount of rose tint is ever going to provide a suitable prescription to right that astigmatism


3. There is no point trying to pretend that he is some kind of Angel and Joshua is some kind of unreformed hoodlum just to make a very weak point. Joshua started boxing very late, did incredibly well to make an Olympic team and no amount of pretending is going to wipe out the fact that he has dealt much more effectively with the limited opposition he has faced than Fury did at the same stage


4. He won on the night by doing very little. What he did he did well and the game plan was genius but all the talk of being a fighting man and going out on his shield could no more be applied to him, than to Haye. In fact considering the huge size discrepancy the fact that Haye is willing to fight any of the modern Giants is proof of a bigger set than the lanky twats he has to fight and that is saying something.

You haven't boxed, you can't dare talk about Tyson Fury like that!

Beanz has boxed plenty I seen him starch a few on Rag outside a museum: I'm talking 2 seppos in the same night.

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by J_Undisputed

Not to $h*t on anyone's riff here. I know Fury is a fave among a lot of saddo-mites on the Euro side of the pond.... but i didn't really the see the one sided, near death beating the fight has become in some of the boxing circles since Saturday. The scorecards say drubbing and yes Fury did take most of the rounds. Maybe many fans were just so tired of Klitch and his technical points earning, less risk, chin protecting style that any win was a Great win.

What I saw was a Klitch that looked positively befuddled. Intimidated by size, confused by an opponent that kept switching his stance, carried his hands low, and tried to bait Vlad into countering opportunities by feinting a lot. He didn't even know where to begin because his offense (linear approach) was taken away by fury's size. Once fury smelled blood, he cautiously used good movement and pot shotting to keep vlad in his shell. Occasionally taking advantage down the stretch with a combo here or there and walking away with the title because the champ stood in there and weathered a storm without a plan. If anything, i'd say that vlads arms were more sore the next day than anything else the next day.

I'll agree that the rematch might be pointless because of Vlad's showing. It wasn't that he got out pointed, out muscled, out maneuvered. I'm hesitant to use the phrase outfought, because to me that implies that Vlad was aggressively trying everything to turn the fight in his favor. I saw him do more gawking, standing, shelling and clinching than fighting. So in the sense that Fury used his movement, feinting and whatever was in his toolbox to nullify Vlad and keep him from getting confident enough to try to box his way to a victory... i'll say that Fury outboxed Vlad. I congratulate him and say i admire his candor when on the mic.

But really I think even taking age into account, Klitchsko is really being sold short (I'm not a fan of the younger Klitchsko). The best thing about him doing absolutely nothing this fight is that doing ANYTHING in the next fight would be better. He can certainly do that. There's a ton of things he can work on to stifle the feints, squirming and switching (not many will or have to take vlad out of his comfort zone and fury keeping his hands low actually does a lot of the work for him)...

- Depending on the linear approach because hes used to being the taller guy put him behind the 8 ball. Scrap it for the first half of the fight. Step around, use your angles and out flank him. When hes expecting straight punches from the 12 o clock position, land your hooks from the 10 and 2 positions. Go back to the frontal assault later when you have him on the run and hes stepping straight back.

- bigger guys make bigger targets. When he's feinting, switching and blading up on you from the outside, target the lead shoulder. It doesn't move as much, You don't have to reach as far to commit yourself and his chin is right behind it. So you cant miss-- throw it and you'll hit something. If Fury shrugs it off and gets complacent... small adjustments (inches to the inside) later will pay off big.

- When hes shoe shining, and carrying that hand low, step around, and close the distance and check it... to keep it low and out of the way while you're throwing your hooks.

....and after that its an easier fight. Height and reach are important, but "distance" in a boxing ring is relevant and not constant. It's more about timing than it is about just reach. -- This will/can all come down to Banks, and the rest of the team and whether or not they know what they're doing and whether Vlad believes in them enough to listen. I know i joked about him hiring roach, but a fresh respected perspective from anyone would help. Especially someone who can keep him loose. "Failure is not an option ..." and all that other Terminator BS will only lock him up again. Just my opinion. I could be wrong .

If you didnt know, thats boxing!

Also, did his arms need stitches as well then?

I gave him credit for technically outboxing vlad. Maybe you replied after just reading the highlighted part... lets be honest, how much of that happens the same without furys size making Vlad Gun shy of committing to anything. It was an easy night in that he didn't actually have to throw punches half the time to keep vlad pensive. The head fakes and the feinting were applied liberally and it meant he didn't have to work as hard. He deserves full credit for that if he can get away with it.

My objection is to the notion that Fury is some juggernaut now and there's nothing vlad could do that fury wouldn't have an answer for. Its not that i don't like the guy. However, it's not as though fury peppered him and cut him to ribbons with the jab for 12 rounds or broke him down and knocked him out. This wasn't a Kovalev/hopkins... or cotto/martinez... This was like a reversal of Klitschko/ Haye, after haying gained 30lbs and 8 inches of height and reach. Watching the fights against fury and haye, you can see difference in vlads approach to the stylistic similarities in movement, the feinting and footwork with and without the extra size.

And one of those cuts was from a headbutt....

As usual, the thread has gone off on all kinds of tangents, including Fury's character.... something I admit to know nothing about.
So I'll stick to the boxing.

Getting back to the thread topic, I respect my friend's @brocktonblockbust opinion that Wlad would be risking serious injury in a rematch with Fury. I just don't see it. Were I to think of Wlad as the type to take some risk in order to redeem himself in the ring.... I might agree somewhat, and even then I can't see it, given the aforementioned punch outputs by both men.

But I just don't see Wlad that way.
Imagine, if you will, the following exchange between Wlad and his very different brother, Vitali:

Vitali: Hey brother... now that we got the rematch, there's something I've been meaning to say. You know I love you and all.... but you looked like shit out there against Fury. It was downright embarrassing.

Wlad: What do you mean, brother?

Vitali: Well... I hate to bring this up... but you hardly threw any punches. Hell..... I wanted to get in there and beat the hell out of Fury for you.

Wlad: But I was being cautious. Remember Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster?

Vitali: Yes brother.... but that was a long time ago. I thought you had let that go by now.

Wlad: Listen... between you and me.... I'm scared of getting KTFO'ed like that again. It HURTS!

Vitali: I know brother... but you got your championship taken away from you. By a guy who ridiculed you and called you every name in the book. He even came dressed as Batman.

Wlad: Well.... for the rematch, I'll just box him more. I don't know.... I'll do something different.

Vitali: That's NOT ENOUGH, brother!! You have to get mad. Go out there and take back what's yours!!

Wlad: But what if I get hit on the chin and get knocked out again??

Vitali: %$&#$&# brother!!!!!! Never mind. How about I fight Fury?

Wlad: Would you really do that for me?

Originally Posted by TitoFan

As usual, the thread has gone off on all kinds of tangents, including Fury's character.... something I admit to know nothing about.
So I'll stick to the boxing.

Getting back to the thread topic, I respect my friend's @brocktonblockbust opinion that Wlad would be risking serious injury in a rematch with Fury. I just don't see it. Were I to think of Wlad as the type to take some risk in order to redeem himself in the ring.... I might agree somewhat, and even then I can't see it, given the aforementioned punch outputs by both men.

But I just don't see Wlad that way.
Imagine, if you will, the following exchange between Wlad and his very different brother, Vitali:

Vitali: Hey brother... now that we got the rematch, there's something I've been meaning to say. You know I love you and all.... but you looked like shit out there against Fury. It was downright embarrassing.

Wlad: What do you mean, brother?

Vitali: Well... I hate to bring this up... but you hardly threw any punches. Hell..... I wanted to get in there and beat the hell out of Fury for you.

Wlad: But I was being cautious. Remember Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster?

Vitali: Yes brother.... but that was a long time ago. I thought you had let that go by now.

Wlad: Listen... between you and me.... I'm scared of getting KTFO'ed like that again. It HURTS!

Vitali: I know brother... but you got your championship taken away from you. By a guy who ridiculed you and called you every name in the book. He even came dressed as Batman.

Wlad: Well.... for the rematch, I'll just box him more. I don't know.... I'll do something different.

Vitali: That's NOT ENOUGH, brother!! You have to get mad. Go out there and take back what's yours!!

Wlad: But what if I get hit on the chin and get knocked out again??

Vitali: %$&#$&# brother!!!!!! Never mind. How about I fight Fury?

Wlad: Would you really do that for me?

I thought you were going stick to the boxing? That's just daft character assassination based on very little. I replied with a direct quote from Fury himself a few days ago, in response to Brock and Ross ' ridiculous claim that Fury is a role model.

You sound very bitter greenbeanz like this affects you somehow.

Have you tried to be something and failed?

Originally Posted by ross

You sound bery bitter greenbeanz like this affects you somehow.

Have you tried to be something and failed?

Bitter? What are you waffling on about now? Seriously mate you seem unable to see anything but fluffy clouds where Fury is concerned. Well done to him but the entire forum is getting a bit gloaty bollocks the last few days.

As to your question

"For what is a man's grasp if it's not for over reaching?"

Tito's post was clearly a tongue in cheek and very funny dialogue between guys who have a history of letting big brother do the tougher jobs. Nothing more.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Tito's post was clearly a tongue in cheek and very funny dialogue between guys who have a history of letting big brother do the tougher jobs. Nothing more.

Greenbeanz has a bee in his bonnet

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by TitoFan

As usual, the thread has gone off on all kinds of tangents, including Fury's character.... something I admit to know nothing about.
So I'll stick to the boxing.

Getting back to the thread topic, I respect my friend's @brocktonblockbust opinion that Wlad would be risking serious injury in a rematch with Fury. I just don't see it. Were I to think of Wlad as the type to take some risk in order to redeem himself in the ring.... I might agree somewhat, and even then I can't see it, given the aforementioned punch outputs by both men.

But I just don't see Wlad that way.
Imagine, if you will, the following exchange between Wlad and his very different brother, Vitali:

Vitali: Hey brother... now that we got the rematch, there's something I've been meaning to say. You know I love you and all.... but you looked like shit out there against Fury. It was downright embarrassing.

Wlad: What do you mean, brother?

Vitali: Well... I hate to bring this up... but you hardly threw any punches. Hell..... I wanted to get in there and beat the hell out of Fury for you.

Wlad: But I was being cautious. Remember Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster?

Vitali: Yes brother.... but that was a long time ago. I thought you had let that go by now.

Wlad: Listen... between you and me.... I'm scared of getting KTFO'ed like that again. It HURTS!

Vitali: I know brother... but you got your championship taken away from you. By a guy who ridiculed you and called you every name in the book. He even came dressed as Batman.

Wlad: Well.... for the rematch, I'll just box him more. I don't know.... I'll do something different.

Vitali: That's NOT ENOUGH, brother!! You have to get mad. Go out there and take back what's yours!!

Wlad: But what if I get hit on the chin and get knocked out again??

Vitali: %$&#$&# brother!!!!!! Never mind. How about I fight Fury?

Wlad: Would you really do that for me?

I thought you were going stick to the boxing? That's just daft character assassination based on very little. I replied with a direct quote from Fury himself a few days ago, in response to Brock and Ross ' ridiculous claim that Fury is a role model.

Oh come now, it's not EVERY DAY that Titofan posts like that......oh wait....it is, nevermind

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Tito's post was clearly a tongue in cheek and very funny dialogue between guys who have a history of letting big brother do the tougher jobs. Nothing more.

Greenbeanz has a bee in his bonnet

I am not the one starting umpteen threads on TF or dragging out my own contributions from the past to show how shiny my crystal ball is. It's only because you and Brock have got it so spectacularly wrong in the past that you feel the need to do so.

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by TitoFan

As usual, the thread has gone off on all kinds of tangents, including Fury's character.... something I admit to know nothing about.
So I'll stick to the boxing.

Getting back to the thread topic, I respect my friend's @brocktonblockbust opinion that Wlad would be risking serious injury in a rematch with Fury. I just don't see it. Were I to think of Wlad as the type to take some risk in order to redeem himself in the ring.... I might agree somewhat, and even then I can't see it, given the aforementioned punch outputs by both men.

But I just don't see Wlad that way.
Imagine, if you will, the following exchange between Wlad and his very different brother, Vitali:

Vitali: Hey brother... now that we got the rematch, there's something I've been meaning to say. You know I love you and all.... but you looked like shit out there against Fury. It was downright embarrassing.

Wlad: What do you mean, brother?

Vitali: Well... I hate to bring this up... but you hardly threw any punches. Hell..... I wanted to get in there and beat the hell out of Fury for you.

Wlad: But I was being cautious. Remember Sanders, Purrity, and Brewster?

Vitali: Yes brother.... but that was a long time ago. I thought you had let that go by now.

Wlad: Listen... between you and me.... I'm scared of getting KTFO'ed like that again. It HURTS!

Vitali: I know brother... but you got your championship taken away from you. By a guy who ridiculed you and called you every name in the book. He even came dressed as Batman.

Wlad: Well.... for the rematch, I'll just box him more. I don't know.... I'll do something different.

Vitali: That's NOT ENOUGH, brother!! You have to get mad. Go out there and take back what's yours!!

Wlad: But what if I get hit on the chin and get knocked out again??

Vitali: %$&#$&# brother!!!!!! Never mind. How about I fight Fury?

Wlad: Would you really do that for me?

I thought you were going stick to the boxing? That's just daft character assassination based on very little. I replied with a direct quote from Fury himself a few days ago, in response to Brock and Ross ' ridiculous claim that Fury is a role model.

C'mon Beanz. "Character assassination"??

It's just a skit, man.

And BTW..... Vitali did look rather frustrated in Wlad's corner. I can imagine his reaction when Fury was mugging at Wlad with his hands down. I'm not just another Klitschko hater, Beanz. As a person the guy's alright. But Vitali's got the only pair of "cojones" in the family. Wlad may get the better accolades career-wise when it's all over..... but Vitali is truly the better fighter in the family.

BTW again.... I don't consider Fury a role model. I don't know enough about Fury the man to make that kind of statement. All I can say is he took a big risk, challenging Wlad in his own backyard, and made Wlad look like an amateur in the process.

Tyson Fury speaks sincerely unlike Klitschko whose every line and sneer is rehearsed and robotic. Fury looks like a smiling and friendly guy I like his demeanor at the press conferences I don't know nothing about his personal life we has gouged out people's eyeballs or was that someone in his family. Let us say only that at the press conferences and ND face2face pre fight interviews he was very candid he was very appealing and very sincere and he did not seem to have an attitude problem or an agenda the way that the well-primped well managed well connected charlatan the Klown of Kiev has

This is my first post on this thread I think, but in answer to the heading, Wlad will not be risking his health, he hardly got hurt in the first fight. Wlad is RISK AVERSE!!!

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Tito's post was clearly a tongue in cheek and very funny dialogue between guys who have a history of letting big brother do the tougher jobs. Nothing more.

Greenbeanz has a bee in his bonnet

I am not the one starting umpteen threads on TF or dragging out my own contributions from the past to show how shiny my crystal ball is. It's only because you and Brock have got it so spectacularly wrong in the past that you feel the need to do so.

Hmmm, Umpteen? I think someone is exagerating a little