Thread: Rematches don't bode well for ex-Champs

Let's take a look:

Alexis Arguello was smoked in the rematch with Aaron Pryor
Jersey Joe Walcott got smoked in the rematch with Marciano.
Jack Dempsey was shellacked and outclassed in the rematch with Gene Tunney.
Sonny Liston was smoked like a duck in the rematch with Muhammad Ali.
Floyd Patterson was smoked in the rematch with Sonny Liston.
Mike Tyson was destroyed in the rematch with Evander Holyfield.
Evander Holyfield was destroyed in the rematch with Lennox Lewis.
Larry Holmes was destroyed in the rematch with Michael Spinks.
Riddick Bowe was destroyed in the rematch with Andrew Golota.
Joe Frazier was destroyed in the rematch with George Foreman.
Floyd Patterson was destroyed in the rematch with Muhammad Ali.
Ezzard Charles was destroyed in the rematch with Rocky Marciano.

Only all time greats like Muhammad Ali and Lennox Lewis could come back from a staggering and stunning loss where they lost their championship crown and come back and win the rematch.

Wladimir Klitschko is no all time great and he will get his ass handed to him in the rematch with Tyson Fury.

History bears that out for those who will admit it.

This is different than....

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Let's take a look:

Jersey Joe Walcott got smoked in the rematch with Marciano.
Jack Dempsey was shellacked and outclassed in the rematch with Gene Tunney.
Sonny Liston was smoked like a duck in the rematch with Muhammad Ali.
Floyd Patterson was smoked in the rematch with Sonny Liston.
Mike Tyson was destroyed in the rematch with Evander Holyfield.
Evander Holyfield was destroyed in the rematch with Lennox Lewis.
Larry Holmes was destroyed in the rematch with Michael Spinks.
Riddick Bowe was destroyed in the rematch with Andrew Golota.
Joe Frazier was destroyed in the rematch with George Foreman.
Floyd Patterson was destroyed in the rematch with Muhammad Ali.
Ezzard Charles was destroyed in the rematch with Rocky Marciano.

Only all time greats like Muhammad Ali and Lennox Lewis could come back from a staggering and stunning loss where they lost their championship crown and come back and win the rematch.

Wladimir Klitschko is no all time great and he will get his ass handed to him in the rematch with Tyson Fury.

History bears that out for those who will admit it.

This how?

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Rematches have never boded well for ex-champions. Wlad is risking his health.

Mike Tyson got smoked in his rematch with Holyfield.

Larry Holmes got beaten in his rematch with Michael Spinks.

Holyfield was beaten in his rematch with Lennox Lewis.

Joe Frazier was smoked in his rematch with George Foreman.

Riddick Bowe was beaten in his rematch with Andrew Golota.

Sonny Liston was beaten in his rematch with Muhammad Ali.

Floyd Patterson was beaten in his rematch with Sonny Liston.

Jersey Joe Walcott was beaten in his rematch with Rocky Marciano.

Wladimir Klitschko will get smoked in his rematch with big Tyson Fury.

There is nothing more that Vladimir can do that he didn't try to do for those 12 rounds against Tyson Fury the first time they fought. The danger for his health at the age of 40 fighting a young man of 27 is clear. He will try to redeem himself and go for a stunning knockout yet he cannot ever get the distance on the much larger Tyson Fury. Vladimir is not a good fighter moving forward or lunging in. The problem is that is the only way he can land a straight right knockout punch at the right distance. Tyson Fury knows this and he will take a step back out of range and he will throw a massive massive uppercut and decapitate Wladimir Klitschko and knock him cold and possibly injure him in a permanent way.

And I for one would not personally want to see this.

FACT.

Idiot

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Seriously Lyle. What would you advise Klitschko to do differently? it's kind of like advising Joe Frazier in the rematch with George Foreman. There really isn't anything else he can do.

Besides Ali miraculously winning the title back from Joe Frazier and Lennox Lewis winning the title back from McCall and Hasim name any other time that a fighter really won it back
okay we have Floyd Patterson against Ingomar Johansson there's one hahaha it doesn't happen that often contrary to what most people think

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Besides Ali miraculously winning the title back from Joe Frazier and Lennox Lewis winning the title back from McCall and Hasim name any other time that a fighter really won it back
okay we have Floyd Patterson against Ingomar Johansson there's one hahaha it doesn't happen that often contrary to what most people think

I swear to fuck that post had BETTER have ended with you throwing yourself in front of a speeding tractor trailer

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Besides Ali miraculously winning the title back from MEANT TO SAY LEON SPINKS ~~~NOT JOE FRAXIER~~~ and Lennox Lewis winning the title back from McCall and Hasim name any other time that a fighter really won it back
okay we have Floyd Patterson against Ingomar Johansson there's one hahaha it doesn't happen that often contrary to what most people think

I swear to fuck that post had BETTER have ended with you throwing yourself in front of a speeding tractor trailer

What happened was the speeding truck bounced off of my Armenian nose and had a fender bender.

Plus the oh I don't know 12 or 13 examples I just gave off the top of my head to start this thread are more than enough proof that it will usually not work out for the X champ

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Besides Ali miraculously winning the title back from Joe Frazier and Lennox Lewis winning the title back from McCall and Hasim name any other time that a fighter really won it back
okay we have Floyd Patterson against Ingomar Johansson there's one hahaha it doesn't happen that often contrary to what most people think

I swear to fuck that post had BETTER have ended with you throwing yourself in front of a speeding tractor trailer

What happened was the speeding truck bounced off of my Armenian nose and had a fender bender.

Plus the oh I don't know 12 or 13 examples I just gave off the top of my head to start this thread are more than enough proof that it will usually not work out for the X champ

Well my problem isn't the argument it's that you've made the decision to start an entirely new thread about the EXACT same shit you have in the other thread! Have you not fucking noticed that YET?!?!?!

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Besides Ali miraculously winning the title back from Joe Frazier and Lennox Lewis winning the title back from McCall and Hasim name any other time that a fighter really won it back
okay we have Floyd Patterson against Ingomar Johansson there's one hahaha it doesn't happen that often contrary to what most people think

I swear to fuck that post had BETTER have ended with you throwing yourself in front of a speeding tractor trailer

What happened was the speeding truck bounced off of my Armenian nose and had a fender bender.

Plus the oh I don't know 12 or 13 examples I just gave off the top of my head to start this thread are more than enough proof that it will usually not work out for the X champ

Well my problem isn't the argument it's that you've made the decision to start an entirely new thread about the EXACT same shit you have in the other thread! Have you not fucking noticed that YET?!?!?!

When a stellar post in an obscure thread is down on the third page and starting to go down the tubes and that idea is so revolutionary that it deserves a brand new thread title then yes Lyle I will create a new thread about that. Just like I created a new thread about Vladimir arrogant sneer at the post fight press conference because that topic has nothing to do with the boxing match he just had or what the skill levels of the two fighters and everything to do with attitudes and personalities. How could that be combined into a thread which was just about the boxing match itself. ??
That was a rhetorical question Lyle it means you don't have to answer it. The answer is it could not be combined we are talking about personalities now and attitudes at the post fight conference. Sometimes new threads need to be started because the topic is completely different then anything that was previously posted

History is history and Wlad needs to fight more aggressively and at a higher tempo to beat Fury. Wlad can do it but it is against his nature to fight like that. I believe Wlad believes he can perform better, maybe he thinks his calf injury was a factor. Wlad can do it.

Originally Posted by Master

History is history and Wlad needs to fight more aggressively and at a higher tempo to beat Fury. Wlad can do it but it is against his nature to fight like that. I believe Wlad believes he can perform better, maybe he thinks his calf injury was a factor. Wlad can do it.

Maybe he just had an off night.....it happens.

Originally Posted by Master

History is history and Wlad needs to fight more aggressively and at a higher tempo to beat Fury. Wlad can do it but it is against his nature to fight like that. I believe Wlad believes he can perform better, maybe he thinks his calf injury was a factor. Wlad can do it.

It's like saying that Joe Frazier can beat George Foreman in the rematch. Everybody knew he could not do it. He tried to change his style he tried to fight a little bit differently he tried to move laterally and back up a bit and he merely survive until the 5th round he got an extra three rounds out of it before foreman clubbed him down in the exact same way he did in the first fight. Klisco can try to come forward more ..try to be more aggressive ...try to get off first... try to throw/attack fury as he switches from Southoaw etcetera etcetera Wlatamir is a very skillful athlete and an intelligent person and I am sure he will do everything he can to try to figure out Tyson Fury but the thing is that Tyson Fury will also have another game plan because he will be expecting Vladimir to do this very thing.

Therefore I do not see any way that WlatAmir can beat Tyson Fury ....the size difference ....the reach.... fury's excellent feinting excellent FEINTs the same thing was really working well for him and once he gets that jab pumping and then he gets ready for Wlads right hand and steps off his back foot to fire a counter uppercut for every time Klirisco tries that right. And fury keeps his right hand very high to block the hook that lead off hook that Klitschko tries to throw sometimes... he only managed to get one or two in there for the entire fight. I just don't see Kliisko being able to do anything about this
this is a perfect example of good big man beats good smaller man as well as Youth over age as well as crazy spontaneous fighter beats cold calculating rigid fighter every time. I do not think that it can overcome the old adage which applies so well to this matchup that is that Styles make fights and tyson fury has the style to frustrate Klitschko 9 out of 10 fights

You could be right but Wlad can adapt and he could be more aggressive as he was in the latter half of the fight an win.

Of course wladimir can find a way to win. To his credit okay everybody get out your pens and papers I am actually saying this to his credit he always found a way to win for the past 10 years so therefore he may find a way to win in the rematch. Anything is possible if w lad Amir Klitschko won the rematch I would be very surprised indeed however. It just doesn't seem too likely... we watched them fight for 36 minutes and we just saw the same thing every time rinse and repeat rinse and repeat rinse and repeat I do not see how Klitschko will be able to get the right distance because Tyson Fury is a very very fast man and he will never stay still

Holyfield and destroyed by Lewis were never in the same room.