Thread: Ward on GGG. "Its over Im moving."

Well I am glad Ward has moved on. The rest of us moved on years ago.

If Ward beats Kolovkin then he is true quality until then he is all talk.

Ward is true champ that allowed time to get in his way. He is to blame, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is a Gold Medalist Olympian that became the WBC/WBA champ that cleaned out every major SMW.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Andre

Andre Ward says Golovkin fight won’t ever happen

This article was pathetic. The sole intention was to praise Ward by bashing Golovkin. However, he even stupidly quoted Ward saying he's too big for GGG. So what's the point?

Blame is always pathetic. Looks like the whole point was exactly that and turning the brightest spotlight back onto zero action - Ward.

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Ward is true champ that allowed time to get in his way. He is to blame, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is a Gold Medalist Olympian that became the WBC/WBA champ that cleaned out every major SMW.

Cheers for him on winning gold but what super mid division did he dominate and clean out of fighters? He beat Froch and a Calzaghe ruined Kessler. This is where these kinds of things start to grow their own limbs. He has not really done much of anything. Winning a gold medal and going on to win a trinket or two these days is not something special. There are about 10 titles in every division.

From 1904 to 1952 only 5 gold medalists won world titles. There was only one title in each division. Frankie Genaro, Fidel LaBarba, Jackie Fields, Pascual Perez and Floyd Patterson. Only 10 in total over the first 14 Olympic games. About 30 world titles have came from gold medalists since 1976.

Ward does hold one distinction that sets him apart from all others that came before. Never in the history of the sport has someone with his amount of talent and ability done so little.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Ward is true champ that allowed time to get in his way. He is to blame, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is a Gold Medalist Olympian that became the WBC/WBA champ that cleaned out every major SMW.

Cheers for him on winning gold but what super mid division did he dominate and clean out of fighters?
He beat Froch and a Calzaghe ruined Kessler.
For me, the SMW division was nice. We seem to disagree, it's cool.
Beating Froch in a tournament that left who out, Bute and...? Calzaghe ruined Kessler, really?! It was a great competitive fight because the two best took each other on. Someone had to lose and they (Mikkel) wasn't ruined, beaten down, busted up.

This is where these kinds of things start to grow their own limbs. He has not really done much of anything.
No division in ages...agreed to have their best fight with no catchweight, no haggling. I'm not saying 2008-2011 was the best ever, but it was Damn good. 42-1 Kessler, undefeated Andre Dirrell, Ward, Abe moving up to SMW ...not like today's GGG...He heard the big dogs coming. Maybe you felt Jermaine Taylor was done before the Super Six he lost a barn burner tko and a decision to Kelly Pavlik. Allen Green had one loss. Was he really that weak? In other words what years were the SMW bumping for you?

Winning a gold medal and going on to win a trinket or two these days is not something special.
Then what is special these days for you?

There are about 10 titles in every division.
I agree, but not sure how that diminishes Ward, without including every fighter today then has done nothing special or can ever....with as many trinket belts...as the Super Six pitted the best records, best skilled from MW to SMW...basically leaving trinket belts for an elimination tourney!!!

From 1904 to 1952 only 5 gold medalists won world titles. There was only one title in each division. Frankie Genaro, Fidel LaBarba, Jackie Fields, Pascual Perez and Floyd Patterson. Only 10 in total over the first 14 Olympic games. About 30 world titles have came from gold medalists since 1976.
Uhh...great knowledge here...

Ward does hold one distinction that sets him apart from all others that came before. Never in the history of the sport has someone with his amount of talent and ability done so little.

Say what?!
Done so little...with so much talent....man I ouhtta.....man I should..... no
....ahhh can't disagree with that last part.
At all.

[QUOTE=SlimTrae;1384663]

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Ward is true champ that allowed time to get in his way. He is to blame, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is a Gold Medalist Olympian that became the WBC/WBA champ that cleaned out every major SMW.

Cheers for him on winning gold but what super mid division did he dominate and clean out of fighters?
He beat Froch and a Calzaghe ruined Kessler.
For me, the SMW division was nice. We seem to disagree, it's cool.
Beating Froch in a tournament that left who out, Bute and...? Calzaghe ruined Kessler, really?! It was a great competitive fight because the two best took each other on. Someone had to lose and they (Mikkel) wasn't ruined, beaten down, busted up.

It was ok. Not sure whats to disagree on. He fought 2 A-listers in a 168 botched tournament that was closing on 3 years to complete. Jones fought Byrd, Toney, Lucas and Sosa in one year at 168 and then went on to own 175. Why does Ward beating Froch and a Calzaghe pincushion in Kessler warrant such praise? Not sure how to respond to the doubt that Joe wrecked Kessler? Its funny how in hindsight, Froch was not even in his league so why the fuss over beating him? Whats Ward done?

This is where these kinds of things start to grow their own limbs. He has not really done much of anything.
No division in ages...agreed to have their best fight with no catchweight, no haggling. I'm not saying 2008-2011 was the best ever, but it was Damn good. 42-1 Kessler, undefeated Andre Dirrell, Ward, Abe moving up to SMW ...not like today's GGG...He heard the big dogs coming. Maybe you felt Jermaine Taylor was done before the Super Six he lost a barn burner tko and a decision to Kelly Pavlik. Allen Green had one loss. Was he really that weak? In other words what years were the SMW bumping for you?

What are we talking about? There is nothing above that adds anything other then to bolster my point. Ward has done nothing except maybe parasite that gold medal. What has he done. Green. Abraham are you fucking kidding me? A super 6.... kind of wtf. It was 168 not 160 or callbacks for people to pay rent.

Winning a gold medal and going on to win a trinket or two these days is not something special.
Then what is special these days for you?

Out of context or what? Relax and consider the response. You have basically claimed that getting a gold and winning a trinket equates to something special and ignoring the details.
Just how existential would you like to get? Look I could give two shits whether Andre Ward ends up on a box of Wheaties with his USA jersey and gold medal hung around his neck. Whats he done? Who has he beat? Just the facts thank-you very much cause the rest is bullshit. Ward said he was going to be bigger then Robinson. Yeah thats pretty special.

There are about 10 titles in every division.

I agree, but not sure how that diminishes Ward, without including every fighter today then has done nothing special or can ever....with as many trinket belts...as the Super Six pitted the best records, best skilled from MW to SMW...basically leaving trinket belts for an elimination tourney!!!

It was not a 160/168 tourney and it had about 3 elite super-middleweights. It was also close to 6 years ago.Why do people continue when the jig is up? The guy has done nothing since 2011


Ward does hold one distinction that sets him apart from all others that came before. Never in the history of the sport has someone with his amount of talent and ability done so little.

Say what?!
Done so little...with so much talent....man I ouhtta.....man I should..... no
....ahhh can't disagree with that last part.
At all.

Say that. You have offered nothing to suggest that this guy has done anything but occupy a line in a boxing almanac as a belt holer who also won Gold at the olympics. He's done nothing that sets him apart from anyone.

You didn't really bring anything. He won a Super 6 tournament at 168 and fought two grade A super mids so far in his career. Read it and weep.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

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You didn't really bring anything. He won a Super 6 tournament at 168 and fought two grade A super mids so far in his career. Read it and weep.

well thats pretty good so far, he did really dominate that tournament and to say kesler was ruined by calzaghe is being rather selective in the interpretation of the facts, he did go on to beat froch after that . Ward dominated 2 very good super middleweights and proved he was the boss at that weight, he has certainly wasted a lot of time after that but the guys record is really pretty impressive and he is on his way to fight kovalev now ... If he wins that then he will have been the boss at super middle weight and light heavy weight... I think you are being harsh on andre ward, the only flaw he has shown in his career is his love of wasting time apart from that the guy is closing in on being a great.

ward was one of the best SMW ever, if not the best but he became irrelevant. he should have moved on long time ago.

Originally Posted by palmerq

Originally Posted by IamInuit

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You didn't really bring anything. He won a Super 6 tournament at 168 and fought two grade A super mids so far in his career. Read it and weep.

well thats pretty good so far, he did really dominate that tournament and to say kesler was ruined by calzaghe is being rather selective in the interpretation of the facts, he did go on to beat froch after that . Ward dominated 2 very good super middleweights and proved he was the boss at that weight, he has certainly wasted a lot of time after that but the guys record is really pretty impressive and he is on his way to fight kovalev now ... If he wins that then he will have been the boss at super middle weight and light heavy weight... I think you are being harsh on andre ward, the only flaw he has shown in his career is his love of wasting time apart from that the guy is closing in on being a great.

Yes its ok. I have already stated that and good for him getting a gold. People need to quit acting as if he's conquered the world and is a reincarnated Ray Robinson. Like I said he's done very little with the kind of talent he had. Its a shame guys like Burley never got the opportunities this guy has had.
You guys continue to bring the same thing and with all due respect it simply sustains what I've said.
It was him that said he's become bigger then Ray and then take the nic SOG.

Sugar Ray Robinson would have been 95 this week.

I don't think either particularly want to fight each other.

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Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Ward is true champ that allowed time to get in his way. He is to blame, but it doesn't negate the fact that he is a Gold Medalist Olympian that became the WBC/WBA champ that cleaned out every major SMW.

Cheers for him on winning gold but what super mid division did he dominate and clean out of fighters?
He beat Froch and a Calzaghe ruined Kessler.
For me, the SMW division was nice. We seem to disagree, it's cool.
Beating Froch in a tournament that left who out, Bute and...? Calzaghe ruined Kessler, really?! It was a great competitive fight because the two best took each other on. Someone had to lose and they (Mikkel) wasn't ruined, beaten down, busted up.

It was ok. Not sure whats to disagree on. He fought 2 A-listers in a 168 botched tournament that was closing on 3 years to complete. Jones fought Byrd, Toney, Lucas and Sosa in one year at 168 and then went on to own 175. Why does Ward beating Froch and a Calzaghe pincushion in Kessler warrant such praise? Not sure how to respond to the doubt that Joe wrecked Kessler? Its funny how in hindsight, Froch was not even in his league so why the fuss over beating him? Whats Ward done?

This is where these kinds of things start to grow their own limbs. He has not really done much of anything.
No division in ages...agreed to have their best fight with no catchweight, no haggling. I'm not saying 2008-2011 was the best ever, but it was Damn good. 42-1 Kessler, undefeated Andre Dirrell, Ward, Abe moving up to SMW ...not like today's GGG...He heard the big dogs coming. Maybe you felt Jermaine Taylor was done before the Super Six he lost a barn burner tko and a decision to Kelly Pavlik. Allen Green had one loss. Was he really that weak? In other words what years were the SMW bumping for you?

What are we talking about? There is nothing above that adds anything other then to bolster my point. Ward has done nothing except maybe parasite that gold medal. What has he done. Green. Abraham are you fucking kidding me? A super 6.... kind of wtf. It was 168 not 160 or callbacks for people to pay rent.

Winning a gold medal and going on to win a trinket or two these days is not something special.
Then what is special these days for you?

Out of context or what? Relax and consider the response. You have basically claimed that getting a gold and winning a trinket equates to something special and ignoring the details.
Just how existential would you like to get? Look I could give two shits whether Andre Ward ends up on a box of Wheaties with his USA jersey and gold medal hung around his neck. Whats he done? Who has he beat? Just the facts thank-you very much cause the rest is bullshit. Ward said he was going to be bigger then Robinson. Yeah thats pretty special.

There are about 10 titles in every division.

I agree, but not sure how that diminishes Ward, without including every fighter today then has done nothing special or can ever....with as many trinket belts...as the Super Six pitted the best records, best skilled from MW to SMW...basically leaving trinket belts for an elimination tourney!!!

It was not a 160/168 tourney and it had about 3 elite super-middleweights. It was also close to 6 years ago.Why do people continue when the jig is up? The guy has done nothing since 2011


Ward does hold one distinction that sets him apart from all others that came before. Never in the history of the sport has someone with his amount of talent and ability done so little.

Say what?!
Done so little...with so much talent....man I ouhtta.....man I should..... no
....ahhh can't disagree with that last part.
At all.

Say that. You have offered nothing to suggest that this guy has done anything but occupy a line in a boxing almanac as a belt holer who also won Gold at the olympics. He's done nothing that sets him apart from anyone.

You didn't really bring anything. He won a Super 6 tournament at 168 and fought two grade A super mids so far in his career. Read it and weep.

Yes I did.
I also asked what era gained your respect. Instead, you just mentioned Charley Burley and the champ who ducked him: Ray 'I'm too pretty to fight Burley' Robinson.
It's not Charley fault he hasn't accomplished anything. It's the champions of his era, white and black. Just let the great Ray fight Lamotta 4 decisions until a stoppage.

And Ward comparing himself to Ray is his comparison, not mines.

Everyone here who thinks highly of Ward's skills all seem to agree with you that he has squandered a considerable amount of time.
But it doesn't mean what he did accomplish should be denigrated. Especially when the Ward critics don't bring anything new other than opinions.

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Everyone here who thinks highly of Ward's skills all seem to agree with you that he has squandered a considerable amount of time.
But it doesn't mean what he did accomplish should be denigrated. Especially when the Ward critics don't bring anything new other than opinions.

Let me put it this way. On this forum and others people have routinely dismissed both Froch and Kessler going to the Hall of Fame. But I'd wager that Ward would be voted in for beating them. Why does Ward feel it necessary to say anything? He does this because the middleweight has stolen in Wards eyes his rightful passage into the next Floyd. You can easily see the man had gifts and he squandered them. Fact of the matter is he hasn't done much. He's had an average career and is not a standout because of it. He even blew the Dawson fight by the silly meltdown just because Chad said he would. Why didn't he just jump up at take him. He could have gotten the LH title thrown in just like Leonard did. And it was Ward that said he'd most likely be going to 175 after the S-6. Why have they not agreed to a Kovalev date yet and announced it? It was supposed to be his 3rd fight on the multi=million 3 fight deal. He's a guy that has a lot to be thankful for. What gets under my skin is many of his fan base and Ward himself that continue to act as if he got the small trinket collection yesterday and that he has been a dominant force in the sport. Even the quote in the title tells one all they need to know.

I got to give your suggestion to you: relax. (lol)It's all good.

I agree with you.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Everyone here who thinks highly of Ward's skills all seem to agree with you that he has squandered a considerable amount of time.
But it doesn't mean what he did accomplish should be denigrated. Especially when the Ward critics don't bring anything new other than opinions.

Let me put it this way. On this forum and others people have routinely dismissed both Froch and Kessler going to the Hall of Fame. But I'd wager that Ward would be voted in for beating them. Why does Ward feel it necessary to say anything? He does this because the middleweight has stolen in Wards eyes his rightful passage into the next Floyd. You can easily see the man had gifts and he squandered them. Fact of the matter is he hasn't done much. He's had an average career and is not a standout because of it. He even blew the Dawson fight by the silly meltdown just because Chad said he would. Why didn't he just jump up at take him. He could have gotten the LH title thrown in just like Leonard did. And it was Ward that said he'd most likely be going to 175 after the S-6. Why have they not agreed to a Kovalev date yet and announced it? It was supposed to be his 3rd fight on the multi=million 3 fight deal. He's a guy that has a lot to be thankful for. What gets under my skin is many of his fan base and Ward himself that continue to act as if he got the small trinket collection yesterday and that he has been a dominant force in the sport. Even the quote in the title tells one all they need to know.

I agree, the magnitude of wards feat in winning the super 6 has and will be inflated as the details fall by the wayside. (like ward fighting every fight at home, the headbutt issues with kessler, green getting thrown into the tourney in the middle, the declaration that he wouldn't fight his friend dirrell despite both of them being in the tournament.

Ward apparently still feels like he's owed something. Despite losing in court and in the forum of public opinion, ward like mayweather and now canelo have deluded themselves into believing that their talent somehow gives them immeasurable stroke. Tyson once in the middle of all the controversy and tirades, spoke about how he could sell out an arena masturbating as opposed to his current peers. I think every one of these guys are aspiring to get to that level of draw or have convinced themselves that they already have (whether by being famous or infamous). By hook or by crook, they all want this illusion of dominance. In a sport where anything can happen and there are no guarantees, they want guarantees (even if it means dictating weight, gloves, locations etc etc). So dawson being faster than ward, punching like a light heavy was not what ward wanted. Even though he was a better boxer but not a huge puncher himself, ward still needed to take away dawson's advantages.

He felt the need to say something in order to keep the mindf*ck going that he's still in control. Through all the talk of the kovalev fight, i still think part of him was holding out hoping he'd get an easier fight against GGG with a weight advantage than a fight against kovalev while still partially rusty(hence the wait). First it was the lion share, then catch weights, then prefight stips, then the waiting game of making a person idle or take wear and tear while you get up to speed. these are the things floyd taught them while making the rest of us hate what the sport has become.