You will call me crazy, but I think Roy has one big fight available

[Taeth]

Vs none of there than Bernard Hopkins.
Before you say I am totally nuts hear me out

Look at the triangle that was Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, and Pavlik

1.Taylor gave Hopkins all sorts of troubles because he didn't rush forward, he used his youth, speed, and reflexes and just allowed himself to react to what Hopkins did which threw Hopkins off and gave him fits.
2. I will discard their first fight because Jermain Taylor punched himself out in it, but in their second fight Pavlik used high output, and pressure which is the achilles heal of Jermain Taylor, he isn't good at fighting, I also thought Winky Wright beat him soundly with the same approach, but people had Jermain landing punches I definitely didn't.
3. Hopkins nullified a lot of what Winky, and beat him in a close fight, but the more important thing is he took Pavlik to school, he out boxed him, out fought him, out everything Pavlik.

The point I am making is styles can make fights, guys who seem even on paper in many ways going into a fight actually in some cases turned into landslides one way or another.

I think Calzaghe was the worst style regardless of what shape Roy was in for him to face, Its obvious the thing that has fallen the most for him is output. While Bernard is so elusive and sneaky he could deal with Calzaghe's huge output much more effectively, while Roy was kept on the ropes, but once again Calzaghe didn't land a whole lot of clean punches except when Roy had his hands down and he backed into the ropes. I also saw Roy's speed the few times he punched like in the 5th round, he was able to land effectively on Calzaghe, arguably easier than Bernard.

The point I am making is Bernard can throw a lot of punches if you come at him, and he isn't forced into complete defensive mode, I think Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor were too quick for him to counter consistently the whole night, but Kelly was slower and I think Hopkins was able to see the punches coming.

I still think unless Bernard can pull massive amount of punches out of his belt that Roy is a bad matchup for him if Roy doesn't get backed up the whole fight. I think this would be a boring fight for most, but it would be a close fight.

Why was Jermain Taylor as effective against Bernard as Calzaghe if not more so? Because that explosive speed is what really screws up Bernard, because it doesn't rely on a tempo like Calzaghe does. Roy Jones Jr isn't a rhythmic type fighter, he fights in spurts like Bernard does, he also attempts to disrupt his opponent's rhythm, and I think they offset eachother to a large degree, I want to see this fight made, but I doubt Hopkins would take it now... a pity.

[intoccabile]

Vs none of there than Bernard Hopkins.
Before you say I am totally nuts hear me out

Look at the triangle that was Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, and Pavlik

1.Taylor gave Hopkins all sorts of troubles because he didn't rush forward, he used his youth, speed, and reflexes and just allowed himself to react to what Hopkins did which threw Hopkins off and gave him fits.
2. I will discard their first fight because Jermain Taylor punched himself out in it, but in their second fight Pavlik used high output, and pressure which is the achilles heal of Jermain Taylor, he isn't good at fighting, I also thought Winky Wright beat him soundly with the same approach, but people had Jermain landing punches I definitely didn't.
3. Hopkins nullified a lot of what Winky, and beat him in a close fight, but the more important thing is he took Pavlik to school, he out boxed him, out fought him, out everything Pavlik.

The point I am making is styles can make fights, guys who seem even on paper in many ways going into a fight actually in some cases turned into landslides one way or another.

I think Calzaghe was the worst style regardless of what shape Roy was in for him to face, Its obvious the thing that has fallen the most for him is output. While Bernard is so elusive and sneaky he could deal with Calzaghe's huge output much more effectively, while Roy was kept on the ropes, but once again Calzaghe didn't land a whole lot of clean punches except when Roy had his hands down and he backed into the ropes. I also saw Roy's speed the few times he punched like in the 5th round, he was able to land effectively on Calzaghe, arguably easier than Bernard.

The point I am making is Bernard can throw a lot of punches if you come at him, and he isn't forced into complete defensive mode, I think Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor were too quick for him to counter consistently the whole night, but Kelly was slower and I think Hopkins was able to see the punches coming.

I still think unless Bernard can pull massive amount of punches out of his belt that Roy is a bad matchup for him if Roy doesn't get backed up the whole fight. I think this would be a boring fight for most, but it would be a close fight.

Why was Jermain Taylor as effective against Bernard as Calzaghe if not more so? Because that explosive speed is what really screws up Bernard, because it doesn't rely on a tempo like Calzaghe does. Roy Jones Jr isn't a rhythmic type fighter, he fights in spurts like Bernard does, he also attempts to disrupt his opponent's rhythm, and I think they offset eachother to a large degree, I want to see this fight made, but I doubt Hopkins would take it now... a pity.

Roy is shot man. It's not a matter of Calzaghe having a style for ROy, roy just wont punch.

Look at the Tarver Rubber match.. look at the fight with Tito.
HE JUST WONT PUNCH ANYMORE. He cant pull the trigger anymore. He is shot.

[Taeth]

Why does he need to punch that much against Hopkins? Taylor punched like 300 times in the first fight against Hopkins? I think thats exactly why Hopkins is a good opponent for him, it actually measures their skill. I think he is shot in terms of physically hanging with guys that throw a lot of punches, but that isn't Hopkins anymore, minus the fight against Pavlik and Wright , but seriously for the last 10 years he hasn't foughten like that.

[intoccabile]

Why does he need to punch that much against Hopkins? Taylor punched like 300 times in the first fight against Hopkins? I think thats exactly why Hopkins is a good opponent for him, it actually measures their skill. I think he is shot in terms of physically hanging with guys that throw a lot of punches, but that isn't Hopkins anymore, minus the fight against Pavlik and Wright , but seriously for the last 10 years he hasn't foughten like that.

Did you watch Hopkins Pavlik? Bhop was the aggressor.
After Roys last performances and clearly showing that he can't handle any form of offense, do you think Bhop will show roy the respect he did in their first fight? l

He'd come out and kill that man.

[Taeth]

He wouldn't kill Roy... give me a break when was the last time Bernard stopped a real middleweight or larger? Tito wasn't, Oscar wasn't. I love Bernard, but don't get carried away, Bernard only was the aggressor in the last few rounds, the rest of the time it was Pavlik's forward movement that allowed Bernard to get largely as many punches off as he did, and Pavlik is way easier to hit than Roy.

Neither of them are what they once were, but Hopkins' style works better against the younger guys. He doesn't have that same tiger he had in his prime, which is why he isn't as good as in his prime. I still say it could be a close fight.

[intoccabile]

He wouldn't kill Roy... give me a break when was the last time Bernard stopped a real middleweight or larger? Tito wasn't, Oscar wasn't. I love Bernard, but don't get carried away, Bernard only was the aggressor in the last few rounds, the rest of the time it was Pavlik's forward movement that allowed Bernard to get largely as many punches off as he did, and Pavlik is way easier to hit than Roy.

Neither of them are what they once were, but Hopkins' style works better against the younger guys. He doesn't have that same tiger he had in his prime, which is why he isn't as good as in his prime. I still say it could be a close fight.

When was the last time Hopkins fought someone as shot as Roy?
Give me a break. Hopkins entire career right now is based on fighting the fight that is needed to beat his opponent. The blueprint on roy jones has been drawn 3 times already. Do you honestly think Hopkins will fight the same Respectful fight he fought against roy the first time? When they first fought hopkins had NO good opponents on his record. Roy was 21-0 and the first undefeated or legit competition he had faced. They both showed each other tremendous respect.

Hopkins won't succumb to that type of fight again. Get real man. Roy won't even punch anymore! Hopkins will KILL HIM. It's a figure of speech, by the way. Just like Hopkins KILLED kelly Pavlik and KILLED Antonio Tarver. Those were slaughters imo.

Don't assume I mean he's going to knock someone out when I say he will kill them.

[porkypara]

Vs none of there than Bernard Hopkins.
Before you say I am totally nuts hear me out

Look at the triangle that was Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, and Pavlik

1.Taylor gave Hopkins all sorts of troubles because he didn't rush forward, he used his youth, speed, and reflexes and just allowed himself to react to what Hopkins did which threw Hopkins off and gave him fits.
2. I will discard their first fight because Jermain Taylor punched himself out in it, but in their second fight Pavlik used high output, and pressure which is the achilles heal of Jermain Taylor, he isn't good at fighting, I also thought Winky Wright beat him soundly with the same approach, but people had Jermain landing punches I definitely didn't.
3. Hopkins nullified a lot of what Winky, and beat him in a close fight, but the more important thing is he took Pavlik to school, he out boxed him, out fought him, out everything Pavlik.

The point I am making is styles can make fights, guys who seem even on paper in many ways going into a fight actually in some cases turned into landslides one way or another.

I think Calzaghe was the worst style regardless of what shape Roy was in for him to face, Its obvious the thing that has fallen the most for him is output. While Bernard is so elusive and sneaky he could deal with Calzaghe's huge output much more effectively, while Roy was kept on the ropes, but once again Calzaghe didn't land a whole lot of clean punches except when Roy had his hands down and he backed into the ropes. I also saw Roy's speed the few times he punched like in the 5th round, he was able to land effectively on Calzaghe, arguably easier than Bernard.

The point I am making is Bernard can throw a lot of punches if you come at him, and he isn't forced into complete defensive mode, I think Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor were too quick for him to counter consistently the whole night, but Kelly was slower and I think Hopkins was able to see the punches coming.

I still think unless Bernard can pull massive amount of punches out of his belt that Roy is a bad matchup for him if Roy doesn't get backed up the whole fight. I think this would be a boring fight for most, but it would be a close fight.

Why was Jermain Taylor as effective against Bernard as Calzaghe if not more so? Because that explosive speed is what really screws up Bernard, because it doesn't rely on a tempo like Calzaghe does. Roy Jones Jr isn't a rhythmic type fighter, he fights in spurts like Bernard does, he also attempts to disrupt his opponent's rhythm, and I think they offset eachother to a large degree, I want to see this fight made, but I doubt Hopkins would take it now... a pity.

YOUR CRAZY!

To win fights you got to throw punches.

[Kev]

I posted on this yesterday, I'd like to see it happen personally, nice way for both fighters to bow out.

There's little risk of being hurt by B Hop it will be a slow paced tactical fight for the most part.

Ideally Hopkins and Jones have their little retirment party and Calzaghe can get it on with Dawson to decide the true light heavyweight champion

[Taeth]

Calzaghe IMO isn't in the picture or least I hope not or he will destroy another weight class by beating its best fighter in Chad Dawson then retiring anyways. Chad IMO isn't quite at the stage in his career where he will have delt with enough to deal with Calzaghe. I think he showed his deire to fight and his heart against Glen Johnson, but its Calzaghe's speed along wtih his output that make him so difficult.

Still people are saying Roy doesn't punch, but that is being hypocritical because Hopkins has had the lowest output of any champion maybe ever. When he is fighting his fight he averages like 30 punches a round.

I still contest that if Joe beat Bernard it was on output and he definitely beat Roy on output, the difference is, is that Roy was there all night for Joe to throw punches at while Hopkins wasn't. Hopkins is a great fighter, but Jermain Taylor like I have said due to his more explosive speed and actually putting power on his punches limited Hopkins so much, even in their second fight when Bernard said he would come forward and knock Jermain out.

[Taeth]

Vs none of there than Bernard Hopkins.
Before you say I am totally nuts hear me out

Look at the triangle that was Hopkins, Jermain Taylor, and Pavlik

1.Taylor gave Hopkins all sorts of troubles because he didn't rush forward, he used his youth, speed, and reflexes and just allowed himself to react to what Hopkins did which threw Hopkins off and gave him fits.
2. I will discard their first fight because Jermain Taylor punched himself out in it, but in their second fight Pavlik used high output, and pressure which is the achilles heal of Jermain Taylor, he isn't good at fighting, I also thought Winky Wright beat him soundly with the same approach, but people had Jermain landing punches I definitely didn't.
3. Hopkins nullified a lot of what Winky, and beat him in a close fight, but the more important thing is he took Pavlik to school, he out boxed him, out fought him, out everything Pavlik.

The point I am making is styles can make fights, guys who seem even on paper in many ways going into a fight actually in some cases turned into landslides one way or another.

I think Calzaghe was the worst style regardless of what shape Roy was in for him to face, Its obvious the thing that has fallen the most for him is output. While Bernard is so elusive and sneaky he could deal with Calzaghe's huge output much more effectively, while Roy was kept on the ropes, but once again Calzaghe didn't land a whole lot of clean punches except when Roy had his hands down and he backed into the ropes. I also saw Roy's speed the few times he punched like in the 5th round, he was able to land effectively on Calzaghe, arguably easier than Bernard.

The point I am making is Bernard can throw a lot of punches if you come at him, and he isn't forced into complete defensive mode, I think Calzaghe and Jermain Taylor were too quick for him to counter consistently the whole night, but Kelly was slower and I think Hopkins was able to see the punches coming.

I still think unless Bernard can pull massive amount of punches out of his belt that Roy is a bad matchup for him if Roy doesn't get backed up the whole fight. I think this would be a boring fight for most, but it would be a close fight.

Why was Jermain Taylor as effective against Bernard as Calzaghe if not more so? Because that explosive speed is what really screws up Bernard, because it doesn't rely on a tempo like Calzaghe does. Roy Jones Jr isn't a rhythmic type fighter, he fights in spurts like Bernard does, he also attempts to disrupt his opponent's rhythm, and I think they offset eachother to a large degree, I want to see this fight made, but I doubt Hopkins would take it now... a pity.

YOUR CRAZY!

To win fights you got to throw punches.

Look at the stats, Bernard isn't exactly Antonio Margarito.

[OumaFan]

This is just a dreadful idea, just dreadful, throw in Byrd/Williamson 2 as the co feature and find a spot for Zahir Raheem and Rocky Juarez and boxing would be officially dead.

I'd rather watch Nascar with Dick Cheney, I may go on a neg repping spree just cause this thought has now officially crossed my mind.

[Taeth]

Thats fine if you can't appreciate real boxing, instead of just watching punches being thrown in large volumes, but some of us can.

[OumaFan]

Haha, I'm a huge Hopkins fan, top five all time. This would be a trainwreck, two guys staring at each other for 12 rounds, occasionally joining in a feint-off. Their styles could not be worse together.