Insights on the PAC-COTTO Catchweight match

[Pavlik]

I was browsing thru youtube yesterday and I came across this guy stating his total disgust regarding PAC's probable catchweight match against Cotto, though I agree with him that if PAC wants the Welterweight title that he should do it at 147. I totally agree with him!!!
But what I was shocked was when he said PAC should instead fight his mandatories at 140 or give NATE CAMPBELL a shot
I am no boxer or promoter but anybody with a common sense would know that fighting a slightly weight drained Cotto or Mosely for that matter is still more dangerous than these guys(if he's looking to see PAC lose) and looking at a financial standpoint PAC will not earn that much against these guys.
He also stated that PAC's accomplishments have been done before, yes I agree there is a handful of fighters with multiple weight div championships but how many is gunning for a 7th? How many is 5'6 with a naturally smaller frame(built) and is a knockout puncher in his 6th weight championship?

[brucelee]

I was browsing thru youtube yesterday and I came across this guy stating his total disgust regarding PAC's probable catchweight match against Cotto, though I agree with him that if PAC wants the Welterweight title that he should do it at 147. I totally agree with him!!!
But what I was shocked was when he said PAC should instead fight his mandatories at 140 or give NATE CAMPBELL a shot
I am no boxer or promoter but anybody with a common sense would know that fighting a slightly weight drained Cotto or Mosely for that matter is still more dangerous than these guys(if he's looking to see PAC lose) and looking at a financial standpoint PAC will not earn that much against these guys.
He also stated that PAC's accomplishments have been done before, yes I agree there is a handful of fighters with multiple weight div championships but how many is gunning for a 7th? How many is 5'6 with a naturally smaller frame(built) and is a knockout puncher in his 6th weight championship?

well said and nice qyestion. my answer is no one! that's why Pac is all-time great and is in my top 5 ATG.

[spade]

I was browsing thru youtube yesterday and I came across this guy stating his total disgust regarding PAC's probable catchweight match against Cotto, though I agree with him that if PAC wants the Welterweight title that he should do it at 147. I totally agree with him!!!
But what I was shocked was when he said PAC should instead fight his mandatories at 140 or give NATE CAMPBELL a shot
I am no boxer or promoter but anybody with a common sense would know that fighting a slightly weight drained Cotto or Mosely for that matter is still more dangerous than these guys(if he's looking to see PAC lose) and looking at a financial standpoint PAC will not earn that much against these guys.
He also stated that PAC's accomplishments have been done before, yes I agree there is a handful of fighters with multiple weight div championships but how many is gunning for a 7th? How many is 5'6 with a naturally smaller frame(built) and is a knockout puncher in his 6th weight championship?

well said and nice qyestion. my answer is no one! that's why Pac is all-time great and is in my top 5 ATG.

Even if he wins against Cotto at 145 instead of 147?

[KananKrus]

I think the fight should be at the 147 limit. I see no point in Freddie Roach's apprehension except probably for their perceived, a decidedly Cotto advantage at fight night after rehydration and the overnight weight gain if he is to start rehydrating from 147.

The Pac group is probably uncomfortable about the odds of the fight if Miguel Cotto is to weigh about 160 lbs or thereabouts when the bell rings for round one! This will be too big, if Pacquiao can only rehydrate in the 148-150 range (Pac was 148.5 against Oscar DelaHoya at fight night, a gain of only 6.5 lbs from 142 on weighing scales day).

Bringing down the limit to 145 for the bout, all things considered, will pose a bit of a deterrent for Cotto to get "that big" and still be without visible after-effect of over rehydration, which is lacking a seciond wind, and etc.. which one can consider a handicap.

When Pacquiao was fighting at 130, and he thoughtlessly rehydrated to 146 at fight night, I think against JMM 2, he had difficulties with stamina, almost out of breath in last third of each round. He was unable to go full throttle to deliver 3-minute rounds of offense. This is an essential which surely is viewed by Roach, as an invaluable attribute in mega fights, such as this one of Pac against Miguel Cotto.

For Cotto to have this "essential" at 160 pounds or so, I believe that the Pacquiao camp sees this as a tragic consequence for Manny's ability to compete atop the ring, and make a fight out of it on equal terms. Cotto fit at 155 is probably the ideal, while at 160 will be a marked disadvantage for Pacquiao.

I believe anybody without going overboard, will clearly reconize that Roach is just out for the welfare of his fighter as would any trainer worth his salt is avowed to do.

I say 147, but 145 is not that much of a sacrifice on Cotto's part, if he is to prove a superiority over the smaller, but P4P king!

His date with destiny is just within reach, shedding the 2 extra pounds is nothing if at the end of it when victorious, is boxing imortality, he knows it.

[blegit]

Well, the 7 weight class thing is not what people play it out to be. Pac started pro at the age of 15 years old. So naturally most people are going to grow a significant range from 15 years old to 30 years old. From 16-30 years old I won amateur tournaments from 106lbs. to 147lbs.in every weight class between. If I would've been a bigger guy then that many weight classes couldn't have been possible. At the lighter weight classes in the pros its even more possible because they are only 3 to 4 pounds apart. Pac won titles from 112 to 140. Thats only 28 pounds from being a teenager to being in your 30s. People are looking at the weight classes instead of seeing the fact that it is only 28 pounds. Many fighters have done that. If all the upper weight classes were separated by even 3 to 7 lbs. then RJJ and others would've been a 10 weight class champ. Pac fought from 105-147. There are 11 weight classes in that 41 pound difference. Fighters don't make the weight classes or their genes. Only small guys can fight in that many weight classes because of the format. I think Pac is the best fighter in the world right now but what people are getting riled up about is that if you want to win a welterweight title then it should be at 147. How fair is it to have Mosley, Cotto, or a Williams come below 147 and still put their welterweight title on the line? Its a farce. And believe me on this...when you are cutting weight tooth and nail every little last ounce hurts. 2lbs. will be a factor against Cotto, a guy who barely makes 147. If it wasn't a factor then why would Roach be adamant about the catchweight? He fought DLH at 147 with huge success. But Roach knows DLH was not effective at welterweight and Cotto and Mosley are. Roach said clearly that he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. So the weight drain is the factor Roach is trying to implement. Lets be real about that and less people will keep arguing this obvious move. Like I said, Pac is the best and so is Roach but call it what it is. They want the bigger names but not the bigger guy.

[fan johnny]

Well, the 7 weight class thing is not what people play it out to be. Pac started pro at the age of 15 years old. So naturally most people are going to grow a significant range from 15 years old to 30 years old. From 16-30 years old I won amateur tournaments from 106lbs. to 147lbs.in every weight class between. If I would've been a bigger guy then that many weight classes couldn't have been possible. At the lighter weight classes in the pros its even more possible because they are only 3 to 4 pounds apart. Pac won titles from 112 to 140. Thats only 28 pounds from being a teenager to being in your 30s. People are looking at the weight classes instead of seeing the fact that it is only 28 pounds. Many fighters have done that. If all the upper weight classes were separated by even 3 to 7 lbs. then RJJ and others would've been a 10 weight class champ. Pac fought from 105-147. There are 11 weight classes in that 41 pound difference. Fighters don't make the weight classes or their genes. Only small guys can fight in that many weight classes because of the format. I think Pac is the best fighter in the world right now but what people are getting riled up about is that if you want to win a welterweight title then it should be at 147. How fair is it to have Mosley, Cotto, or a Williams come below 147 and still put their welterweight title on the line? Its a farce. And believe me on this...when you are cutting weight tooth and nail every little last ounce hurts. 2lbs. will be a factor against Cotto, a guy who barely makes 147. If it wasn't a factor then why would Roach be adamant about the catchweight? He fought DLH at 147 with huge success. But Roach knows DLH was not effective at welterweight and Cotto and Mosley are. Roach said clearly that he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. So the weight drain is the factor Roach is trying to implement. Lets be real about that and less people will keep arguing this obvious move. Like I said, Pac is the best and so is Roach but call it what it is. They want the bigger names but not the bigger guy.

That's so lame! Cotto is not old like Mosley and can easily manage his weight without having to dehydrate at the last minute.

[generalbulldog]

Well, the 7 weight class thing is not what people play it out to be. Pac started pro at the age of 15 years old. So naturally most people are going to grow a significant range from 15 years old to 30 years old. From 16-30 years old I won amateur tournaments from 106lbs. to 147lbs.in every weight class between. If I would've been a bigger guy then that many weight classes couldn't have been possible. At the lighter weight classes in the pros its even more possible because they are only 3 to 4 pounds apart. Pac won titles from 112 to 140. Thats only 28 pounds from being a teenager to being in your 30s. People are looking at the weight classes instead of seeing the fact that it is only 28 pounds. Many fighters have done that. If all the upper weight classes were separated by even 3 to 7 lbs. then RJJ and others would've been a 10 weight class champ. Pac fought from 105-147. There are 11 weight classes in that 41 pound difference. Fighters don't make the weight classes or their genes. Only small guys can fight in that many weight classes because of the format. I think Pac is the best fighter in the world right now but what people are getting riled up about is that if you want to win a welterweight title then it should be at 147. How fair is it to have Mosley, Cotto, or a Williams come below 147 and still put their welterweight title on the line? Its a farce. And believe me on this...when you are cutting weight tooth and nail every little last ounce hurts. 2lbs. will be a factor against Cotto, a guy who barely makes 147. If it wasn't a factor then why would Roach be adamant about the catchweight? He fought DLH at 147 with huge success. But Roach knows DLH was not effective at welterweight and Cotto and Mosley are. Roach said clearly that he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. So the weight drain is the factor Roach is trying to implement. Lets be real about that and less people will keep arguing this obvious move. Like I said, Pac is the best and so is Roach but call it what it is. They want the bigger names but not the bigger guy.

This is one lameass post. I'm pretty sure everyone around here knows I'm not a Pac fan but this post at first you suggested like a few pounds isn't that much of a difference in the lower weight classes and then near the end of the post you're saying 2 pounds is too much for Cotto. I've heard that there are no titles on the line, if so then I have no problem with it being at a catch weight. If Cotto was 146 for the Clottey fight, he can make 144 which imo is fair to both sides.

No one complained about the Hopkins-Pavlik fight being at a catchweight right? Because that wasn't for a title.

[KananKrus]

Here's one insight that might just enlighten us a "tiny" bit about the thing that we ramble on back and forth. This might help, it should.

It must be good. It's even legit, highly factual and was drawn from experience.... right off from a multi titled champ, perpetually in similar situation like that of Pac...

from FightHype's Ben Thompson let's all give a pause....

Here he is, the champ, Evander Holyfield!

FIGHTHYPE \\ EVANDER HOLYFIELD: "UNTIL YOU BEAT THE GUY, PACQUIAO'S THE BEST"

You can skim thru the top if you wish and just scope down to where Evander give a piece of his mind on the weight issues brought about by the megafight between Pacquiao and Cotto.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Can't fault blegit in this thread.

[lordforever]

this is a good fight

[HattonTheHammer]

just doesnt make any sense

pac throwing away a chance to be a 7weight world champ over 2-3 mesely pounds.

Sure it`ll slightly aide pacs cause having a miguel cotto that is 2-3pds under his normal fighting weight. But isnt this fight supposed to be based around the legacy of manny pacquiao instead of a non-title catchweight showdown that`ll probably prove to be much more futile than had manny of taken the fight at 147