Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?

[Fenster]

Wlad deserves credit for being a "champion" for a decade but - without meaning to be a boring repetitive cunt - he never had to face the other best "champion" of his era, who helped him clean out the division.

It adds a question mark, no?

[El Kabong]

Wlad deserves credit for being a "champion" for a decade but - without meaning to be a boring repetitive cunt - he never had to face the other best "champion" of his era, who helped him clean out the division.

It adds a question mark, no?

I don't really rate Vitali all that highly in his come back. He wasn't the same fighter. Wladimir has fought anyone and everyone and he's got a few more to go but if Pulev was the best it makes you wonder how anyone else will do. Wlad didn't even take Pulev seriously, he didn't respect his power or his boxing ability Wlad just got angry when Pulev connected then blasted him.

[Scrap]

Got to be Don King .

[Fenster]

Wlad deserves credit for being a "champion" for a decade but - without meaning to be a boring repetitive cunt - he never had to face the other best "champion" of his era, who helped him clean out the division.

It adds a question mark, no?

I don't really rate Vitali all that highly in his come back. He wasn't the same fighter. Wladimir has fought anyone and everyone and he's got a few more to go but if Pulev was the best it makes you wonder how anyone else will do. Wlad didn't even take Pulev seriously, he didn't respect his power or his boxing ability Wlad just got angry when Pulev connected then blasted him.

Anyone and everyone apart from the competiton his brother - who was the 2nd best, maybe even his equal, during his reign, regardless of whether or not he was past his prime - wiped out.

It's a shame Wlad hasn't shown more of the vicious streak he did against Pulev. Nice to see him in a fight that was worth watching twice.

[erics44]

even tho the fight had more entertainment in it than all his other fights put together it still summed him up to a tee

he held on for dear life for a minute, landed the finishing punch with the first punch he threw, then the fight still lasted 5 rounds

[El Kabong]

People complain about clinching still, but what is funny is they don't see any relation to clinching and boxing smart.

Bernard Hopkins for his entire career has fought in this manner, Andre Ward since he decided to NOT copy RJJ has been fighting this way, Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been utilizing clinching as well.

[erics44]

People complain about clinching still, but what is funny is they don't see any relation to clinching and boxing smart.

Bernard Hopkins for his entire career has fought in this manner, Andre Ward since he decided to NOT copy RJJ has been fighting this way, Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been utilizing clinching as well.

ha, its certainly smart

hes made millions and millions for pounds by clinching, holding and leaning

andre ward punches then clinches and despite being know as the best technician at his weight and lb4lb top 2 or 3, due to his fighting style, he makes little money to what youd expect?

hopkins grapples and punches, hes the oldest boxer to hold a world title, defended his middle weight title 20 times, still fighting the best at 50 years old, yet he is nowehere near pay per view, probably because of his style?

Wlad clinches, holds leans, holds, clinches and then punches, has a style vastly less interesting than hopkins or ward, gets endless favours off referees during his fights that only make his fights massively less interesting, yet he makes millions every time he fights, its a strange situation

[IamInuit]

If people from other eras lived in this coddled one most of them would be undefeated also. People laugh at other hev eras and then try to justify this one.

Its incredible to me that it took the champion of the world to expose this three toed sloth. And look at the stellar lineup that the next possible WBC champ has faced. And should Wlad beat that hand fed puppet it will go down as the biggest thing since Ali/Frazier 1.

In the end history judges what you accomplished in the era you fought in. The "0" especially in this era of heavyweights is false advertisement.

Wlad does not have one opponent on his lodge pole that will even make it to the ballet in the HOF.
Most of his opponents will be viewed and rightly so as just that, opponents.

Wlad through no fault of his own, has dominated mediocrity. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

[El Kabong]

Wlad has been a Great for a while now...people will start to begrudgingly give him more and more credit as his career winds down the same way Lennox Lewis was only starting to get appreciated at the end of his career.

Sure the heavyweight division (and boxing in general) is full of guys who care more about the 0 than anything else. But here's the downside....keep that 0 and maybe you never get tested, maybe you never learn the faults in your style until it's too late, maybe you never improve, maybe you aren't getting fully prepared for The Champion...and you see it all over Pulev....the lack of class he showed Wlad outside the ring, the foolishness he showed IN the ring trying to mock Wlad after Wlad knocked him down right away...The Sauerland's got in Kubrat's head, they had him thinking this was going to be easy and Wlad was a chump....no such luck.

Fights are taking place that are better for the division Wilder-Stiverne, Fury-Chisora II, but these challengers need to be consistent in training and in the ring or else Wlad will just dismantle them like he's done to everyone else in the division for the past 10 years

[erics44]

If people from other eras lived in this coddled one most of them would be undefeated also. People laugh at other hev eras and then try to justify this one.

Its incredible to me that it took the champion of the world to expose this three toed sloth. And look at the stellar lineup that the next possible WBC champ has faced. And should Wlad beat that hand fed puppet it will go down as the biggest thing since Ali/Frazier 1.

In the end history judges what you accomplished in the era you fought in. The "0" especially in this era of heavyweights is false advertisement.

Wlad does not have one opponent on his lodge pole that will even make it to the ballet in the HOF.
Most of his opponents will be viewed and rightly so as just that, opponents.

Wlad through no fault of his own, has dominated mediocrity. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

i totally agree but im not sure he has dominated in the true sense of the word

the word dominate suggest a much more masterful agressive forward thinking approach

wlads style is dull and unconvincing and he is given a lot of reason by the referees and officials due to the crowds and money he attracts

there arent many other fighters using his style would be allowed to get away with it

[IamInuit]

If people from other eras lived in this coddled one most of them would be undefeated also. People laugh at other hev eras and then try to justify this one.

Its incredible to me that it took the champion of the world to expose this three toed sloth. And look at the stellar lineup that the next possible WBC champ has faced. And should Wlad beat that hand fed puppet it will go down as the biggest thing since Ali/Frazier 1.

In the end history judges what you accomplished in the era you fought in. The "0" especially in this era of heavyweights is false advertisement.

Wlad does not have one opponent on his lodge pole that will even make it to the ballet in the HOF.
Most of his opponents will be viewed and rightly so as just that, opponents.

Wlad through no fault of his own, has dominated mediocrity. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

i totally agree but im not sure he has dominated in the true sense of the word

the word dominate suggest a much more masterful agressive forward thinking approach

wlads style is dull and unconvincing and he is given a lot of reason by the referees and officials due to the crowds and money he attracts

there arent many other fighters using his style would be allowed to get away with it

Well he has not lost in what, 10, 11 years? Dominant no albeit not pretty. Locche dominated and so did Pep. Floyd has dominated with his safety first style. Wlad fights ugly to me and even against that lamp post he fought Saturday he punched and then grabbed. It truly is a mess of a division. Its always been a tad weak.

I agree overall on his style and it might be the reason he has never really been accepted in certain quarters. He never even gets warned. Its not like they are hiding the fact that its part of his tool box.

Grant it the object of the game is to get hit and not get it. You cant blame him for not willing to fight Bowe/Holy type wars. He's not going to stick his jello chin out and yack at his opponents like Ali. The grappling ruins it for me though. He does not even attempt to use the ring. Sure its up to the opponent to solve the puzzle on how to get to him which entails grinding it out and getting underneath but that is not allowed either by the ref or Wlads grabbing. He's a set of drapes.

He dominates like Canada/Usa women dominate hockey. Same field of play.

[El Kabong]

10 years, 21 fights, 15 KO's, 17 consecutive successful title defenses

What more does he have to do to be considered "dominant"? He holds too much? Is that ever said of Hopkins, Ward, Mayweather? Those guys don't have HALF the KO% Wlad has but they all fight with a similar mind for defense/caginess. Wlad just knocked out an undefeated fighter everyone THOUGHT was going to do well....well now that he's been KO'd Pulev is looked at like some kind of fraud and that's unfair to him because he IS a skilled fighter. Pulev is a good boxer, but good doesn't beat GREAT and Wladimir is an All-Time Great you may not like it but you better learn to WHAT?


LOVE IT

Because Wladimir Klitschko is the best thing going today! WOOO!

[Beanflicker]

You don't think people from other generations were coddled? Especially with the mafia running shit?

Look at all the bums Joe Louis fought. I'd take Wlad's opposition over Louis' any day.

[erics44]

10 years, 21 fights, 15 KO's, 17 consecutive successful title defenses

What more does he have to do to be considered "dominant"? He holds too much? Is that ever said of Hopkins, Ward, Mayweather? Those guys don't have HALF the KO% Wlad has but they all fight with a similar mind for defense/caginess. Wlad just knocked out an undefeated fighter everyone THOUGHT was going to do well....well now that he's been KO'd Pulev is looked at like some kind of fraud and that's unfair to him because he IS a skilled fighter. Pulev is a good boxer, but good doesn't beat GREAT and Wladimir is an All-Time Great you may not like it but you better learn to WHAT?


LOVE IT

Because Wladimir Klitschko is the best thing going today! WOOO!

Peter, provetkin he should have been dq'd

amongst others

His record is money

[erics44]

You don't think people from other generations were coddled? Especially with the mafia running shit?

Look at all the bums Joe Louis fought. I'd take Wlad's opposition over Louis' any day.

Lewis's best weapons were punches