Weaknesses of shoulder roll.

[ono]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

[Beanflicker]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

Nah man all you have to do is jab and just keep throwing punches. If you keep throwing punches and never stop he'll just keep rolling and defending and you can win a UD.

[ono]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

Nah man all you have to do is jab and just keep throwing punches. If you keep throwing punches and never stop he'll just keep rolling and defending and you can win a UD.

Simple

[Master]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

Nah man all you have to do is jab and just keep throwing punches. If you keep throwing punches and never stop he'll just keep rolling and defending and you can win a UD.

Simple

It is but the fighters just do not listen to the saddo game plan.

[mikeeod]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

I think plenty of world class fighters have found weaknesses in it, it's just that Floyd is extremely versatile and does many things great in that ring. Broner is a prime example. He uses the shoulder roll very effectively. His problem is that he doesn't use all the other weapons/abilities/assets that Floyd does do guys figure him out and land clean.

[greynotsoold]

It isn't optimum to use this defense with your legs as wide as Broner keeps his. The foundation is turning your weight to avoid the punch and to counter; a wide stance slows that down.
Had some success against it tonight this way: Jab to make him slip the punch, he obviously slips so it goes behind his head. (Slipping the other way opens up his shoulder) You pivot to the right right away- his slip exposes his lower left rib cage briefly, and you want to hit that spot as hard as you possibly can with a right hand. Real short and you throw it on the pivot to get all your weight turned on it. Then come right back with a left hook.

[SugarBoxing]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

there were cab drivers, who could not fix taxy's and could not race.

[Slick45]

What would you say are the weaknesses of Floyd's shoulder roll?

What are some ways to get around it? Yes, I know the shoulder roll isn't Floyd's only weapon, but it is a big part of his game.

Shoulder rolling means your feet are relatively static... so that right there is somewhat of a weakness unless you are Mayweather

[greynotsoold]

What would you say are the weaknesses of Floyd's shoulder roll?

What are some ways to get around it? Yes, I know the shoulder roll isn't Floyd's only weapon, but it is a big part of his game.

Shoulder rolling means your feet are relatively static... so that right there is somewhat of a weakness unless you are Mayweather

It doesn't mean that at all, though a lot of guys who use the technique tend to fight that way. Orlando Canizalez, for one, used it a lot and he was very mobile.

[ono]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

there were cab drivers, who could not fix taxy's and could not race.

That's true. I think. What?

[Ron Swanson]

People seem to be mistaking weaknesses in fighters for weaknesses in the shoulder roll defense.

If you jab to the chest/body the shoulder roller will parry with the power hand allowing a quick shot behind the jab.

Opposite stance fighters can come around the shoulder with a straight shot so you don't see southpaws employ it because they would open themselves to the straight right. And righties who employ the roll will have a harder time with southpaws.

The weaknesses are opened up by a jab(why Manny will never and would never have a chance against Floyd, like Shane never would have, no jab) like most defenses are opened up by a jab. So is it really even a weakness? Or is a jab just critical in boxing when you are at the highest level? I say a jab is simply critical.

Like someone mentioned earlier, get the roller moving and different parts will become available at different times to different shots. Then it is a question of if you can get to those before the roller can adjust to defend. No defense is perfect but no defense has to be perfect.

[Master]

Oscar was too old.
Maidana too limited.
Hatton too dumb
Judah too erratic

[Ron Swanson]

Oscar was too old.
Maidana too limited.
Hatton too dumb
Judah too erratic

Oscar never had stamina. Youth doesn't change that. You could say a younger Oscar would have done worse because a younger Oscar had no right hand to keep Floyd honest. Excuses can be made for anything so it's better to just save the excuses for the women. When they fought Floyd won, when they were younger Oscar wouldn't fight him.

[Master]

Oscar was too old.
Maidana too limited.
Hatton too dumb
Judah too erratic

Oscar never had stamina. Youth doesn't change that. You could say a younger Oscar would have done worse because a younger Oscar had no right hand to keep Floyd honest. Excuses can be made for anything so it's better to just save the excuses for the women. When they fought Floyd won, when they were younger Oscar wouldn't fight him.

The Oscar that fought Vargas would have beaten Floyd Mayweather.

[Sleepwalker]

Oscar was too old.
Maidana too limited.
Hatton too dumb
Judah too erratic

Oscar never had stamina. Youth doesn't change that. You could say a younger Oscar would have done worse because a younger Oscar had no right hand to keep Floyd honest. Excuses can be made for anything so it's better to just save the excuses for the women. When they fought Floyd won, when they were younger Oscar wouldn't fight him.

The Oscar that fought Vargas would have beaten Floyd Mayweather.

2002 154lb Oscar was the best Oscar ever. I've always felt that was the ideal weight for him even though most of his success and prime years were spent at 147.