Dana White "Floyd Mayweather is not a superstar"

[LEGION]

i'm no Floyd fanboy buton the flipside of what you said, tell me one 50 yr old who's never boxed who can knock Mayweather out cold, the way Mercer did to Sylvia

Same weight or Floyd pushing 100 pounds? I'm really not sure I'm even followed the meaning of your post. Are you comparing Sylvia to the 50 y.o. who has never boxed being beat in MMA by a boxer? Sorry; just missing your point I think.

1st; Tim Sylvia was a joke; the Valuev of MMA but worse. He got his ass kicked out of UFC; and only reason he won in UFC was because he had decent take down defense and weighed around 300 pounds, but still got owned by Couture who is 45 years old and weighed about 70 pounds less and actually outboxed him{which isn't saying much} Tim went to an obscure org. and got pitted against Mercer and Tim Sylvia thought he was a good boxer; a jab and 10ft. reach; lol he thinks that makes him a good boxer He always fought standing up and when he got matched up against Mercer I knew that, unless Mercer was senile, he would knock Sylvia right out and couldn't have been happier when he did. Mercer wouldn't have lasted 2-3 minutes against a submisson specialist.

If Floyd is saying MMA guys aren't on his level boxing wise I wholeheartedly agree; I've already said that. If he's saying that just generally speaking they have no fighting skills at all and he's an all around superior fighter to all of them he's delusional. I would however give Floyd a better shot at transitioning to MMA than an MMA guy going to boxing; because some guys like to "box" in MMA and Floyd would eat them up unless his hand broke and he started sobbing. And very few have even journeyman boxing skills...black, white, yellow, red or anything else.

For me I love boxing 1st....it's more pure, that's the best way I can desribe it.

Sylvia is a joke yet he's a 2 time UFC heavyweight champion what does that say about MMA? my point is, MMA is pretty much overall a weak sport, anybody can beat anybody and there is no real DOMINANT fighter in the sport, aside from maybe Emilianenko (spelling?!?), you said "Tell me Floyd would stand a chance against a guy who outweighs him by almost 100 pounds like Dan Severn outweighed Joyce" so i ask you, name a fighter 50 yrs old who has little to no experience in boxing that can beat Mayweather, just the same way that Mercer KO'd Sylvia brutally, and to the other bolded part of your post, same way Severn and no other MMA fighter would last 12 rounds or even 10 rounds against a world class boxer, they only fight for 15 minutes on a non-title fight for godsake and 25 minutes in a championship fight, guess all that fondeling and dry humping on the floor really tires them out

Yep sometimes it gets like that. If you think MMA is a weak sport than I can't change that point of view, nor was that my intention in this thread to change anyone's mind who doesn't like it. I get sick of watching 2 wrestlers sweating in between each other's legs too

As far as no dominant people in MMA that's not true. Fedor Emilianko, Joyce Gracie, GSP, Anderson Sylvia, Lyoto Machida , BJ Penn, Tito Ortiz, Couture, Matt Hughes, Chuck Lidell all were or are very dominant.

Yeah Sylvia got ktfo by an old boxer. Just like I already said numerous times, some guys in MMA think they can box and when they try to stand with a real boxer they will get owned. I said Floyd would transition better to MMA because some of them dudes might think they can box him, and if someone tried they'd get owned; just like Sylvia did. Hell most people on the MMA forums were picking Mercer to win.

[LEGION]

And to answer your question: no sir; I don't know any 50 y.o. with no experience who could knock out Floyd in a ring; same weight class. I don't know anyone right now who is a pro fighter who will beat him, much less ko him.

[Kev]

i'm no Floyd fanboy buton the flipside of what you said, tell me one 50 yr old who's never boxed who can knock Mayweather out cold, the way Mercer did to Sylvia

Same weight or Floyd pushing 100 pounds? I'm really not sure I'm even followed the meaning of your post. Are you comparing Sylvia to the 50 y.o. who has never boxed being beat in MMA by a boxer? Sorry; just missing your point I think.

1st; Tim Sylvia was a joke; the Valuev of MMA but worse. He got his ass kicked out of UFC; and only reason he won in UFC was because he had decent take down defense and weighed around 300 pounds, but still got owned by Couture who is 45 years old and weighed about 70 pounds less and actually outboxed him{which isn't saying much} Tim went to an obscure org. and got pitted against Mercer and Tim Sylvia thought he was a good boxer; a jab and 10ft. reach; lol he thinks that makes him a good boxer He always fought standing up and when he got matched up against Mercer I knew that, unless Mercer was senile, he would knock Sylvia right out and couldn't have been happier when he did. Mercer wouldn't have lasted 2-3 minutes against a submisson specialist.

If Floyd is saying MMA guys aren't on his level boxing wise I wholeheartedly agree; I've already said that. If he's saying that just generally speaking they have no fighting skills at all and he's an all around superior fighter to all of them he's delusional. I would however give Floyd a better shot at transitioning to MMA than an MMA guy going to boxing; because some guys like to "box" in MMA and Floyd would eat them up unless his hand broke and he started sobbing. And very few have even journeyman boxing skills...black, white, yellow, red or anything else.

For me I love boxing 1st....it's more pure, that's the best way I can desribe it.

Sylvia is a joke yet he's a 2 time UFC heavyweight champion what does that say about MMA? my point is, MMA is pretty much overall a weak sport, anybody can beat anybody and there is no real DOMINANT fighter in the sport, aside from maybe Emilianenko (spelling?!?), you said "Tell me Floyd would stand a chance against a guy who outweighs him by almost 100 pounds like Dan Severn outweighed Joyce" so i ask you, name a fighter 50 yrs old who has little to no experience in boxing that can beat Mayweather, just the same way that Mercer KO'd Sylvia brutally, and to the other bolded part of your post, same way Severn and no other MMA fighter would last 12 rounds or even 10 rounds against a world class boxer, they only fight for 15 minutes on a non-title fight for godsake and 25 minutes in a championship fight, guess all that fondeling and dry humping on the floor really tires them out

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

[JazMerkin]

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

I reckon Vitali would have him, he's got experience in kickboxing & other martial arts & is an all-round hard bastard. Cue Lyle & David Haye comments...

[OumaFan]

Well Bilbo it was supposed to be just boxing but it wasn't, Sylvia threw a leg kick before, it just wasn't caught on the tape of the KO.

But I still don't get ElTerrible's point though Mercer would be decimated by most good MMA heavyweights but if he gets off that one big punch early in a fight, like he did with Sylvia, he's got a chance because obviously punching is his strong point. But he gets annihalated 99 times out of 100 by Fedor, Lesnar, etc because he can only box.

Of course MMA guys aren't going to be as good in boxing as boxers though. They have to work on a ton of different stuff, not just boxing. The Floyd comparison is poor on a number of points, one obviously Floyd is at a much higher level in his sport than Tim Sylvia was, but also putting an MMA guy in boxing is taking away most of his strong points and making him just focus on one thing which may not be his strong suit, putting a boxing guy in MMA is disadvantageous to him but he's not being forced to throw out a good deal of his skills, he just has to hope the one thing he's worked on his whole career is enough for him.

Basically, put a boxing guy in a MMA fight and he's under prepared but he still has a distinct advantage in one facet of the game, striking, and he has a chance at using that to get a win, an early KO being the easiest way. But an MMA guy has to be a jack of all trades, more or less, so put him in a boxing ring with boxing rules and he has no advantages cause a boxing guy has obviously trained boxing much more than an MMA guy.

Didn't Mercer get beat by Kimbo of all people?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Same weight or Floyd pushing 100 pounds? I'm really not sure I'm even followed the meaning of your post. Are you comparing Sylvia to the 50 y.o. who has never boxed being beat in MMA by a boxer? Sorry; just missing your point I think.

1st; Tim Sylvia was a joke; the Valuev of MMA but worse. He got his ass kicked out of UFC; and only reason he won in UFC was because he had decent take down defense and weighed around 300 pounds, but still got owned by Couture who is 45 years old and weighed about 70 pounds less and actually outboxed him{which isn't saying much} Tim went to an obscure org. and got pitted against Mercer and Tim Sylvia thought he was a good boxer; a jab and 10ft. reach; lol he thinks that makes him a good boxer He always fought standing up and when he got matched up against Mercer I knew that, unless Mercer was senile, he would knock Sylvia right out and couldn't have been happier when he did. Mercer wouldn't have lasted 2-3 minutes against a submisson specialist.

If Floyd is saying MMA guys aren't on his level boxing wise I wholeheartedly agree; I've already said that. If he's saying that just generally speaking they have no fighting skills at all and he's an all around superior fighter to all of them he's delusional. I would however give Floyd a better shot at transitioning to MMA than an MMA guy going to boxing; because some guys like to "box" in MMA and Floyd would eat them up unless his hand broke and he started sobbing. And very few have even journeyman boxing skills...black, white, yellow, red or anything else.

For me I love boxing 1st....it's more pure, that's the best way I can desribe it.

Sylvia is a joke yet he's a 2 time UFC heavyweight champion what does that say about MMA? my point is, MMA is pretty much overall a weak sport, anybody can beat anybody and there is no real DOMINANT fighter in the sport, aside from maybe Emilianenko (spelling?!?), you said "Tell me Floyd would stand a chance against a guy who outweighs him by almost 100 pounds like Dan Severn outweighed Joyce" so i ask you, name a fighter 50 yrs old who has little to no experience in boxing that can beat Mayweather, just the same way that Mercer KO'd Sylvia brutally, and to the other bolded part of your post, same way Severn and no other MMA fighter would last 12 rounds or even 10 rounds against a world class boxer, they only fight for 15 minutes on a non-title fight for godsake and 25 minutes in a championship fight, guess all that fondeling and dry humping on the floor really tires them out

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

when people that have no previous experience in professional combat sports, Bob Sapp, Lesnar, Lashley, etc., go on to become "real threats" and have "lucrative" careers in the sport, well it doesn't say much good, and yea that's 1 former pro football/part time actor, and 2 former WWE wrestlers

[LEGION]

Same weight or Floyd pushing 100 pounds? I'm really not sure I'm even followed the meaning of your post. Are you comparing Sylvia to the 50 y.o. who has never boxed being beat in MMA by a boxer? Sorry; just missing your point I think.

1st; Tim Sylvia was a joke; the Valuev of MMA but worse. He got his ass kicked out of UFC; and only reason he won in UFC was because he had decent take down defense and weighed around 300 pounds, but still got owned by Couture who is 45 years old and weighed about 70 pounds less and actually outboxed him{which isn't saying much} Tim went to an obscure org. and got pitted against Mercer and Tim Sylvia thought he was a good boxer; a jab and 10ft. reach; lol he thinks that makes him a good boxer He always fought standing up and when he got matched up against Mercer I knew that, unless Mercer was senile, he would knock Sylvia right out and couldn't have been happier when he did. Mercer wouldn't have lasted 2-3 minutes against a submisson specialist.

If Floyd is saying MMA guys aren't on his level boxing wise I wholeheartedly agree; I've already said that. If he's saying that just generally speaking they have no fighting skills at all and he's an all around superior fighter to all of them he's delusional. I would however give Floyd a better shot at transitioning to MMA than an MMA guy going to boxing; because some guys like to "box" in MMA and Floyd would eat them up unless his hand broke and he started sobbing. And very few have even journeyman boxing skills...black, white, yellow, red or anything else.

For me I love boxing 1st....it's more pure, that's the best way I can desribe it.

Sylvia is a joke yet he's a 2 time UFC heavyweight champion what does that say about MMA? my point is, MMA is pretty much overall a weak sport, anybody can beat anybody and there is no real DOMINANT fighter in the sport, aside from maybe Emilianenko (spelling?!?), you said "Tell me Floyd would stand a chance against a guy who outweighs him by almost 100 pounds like Dan Severn outweighed Joyce" so i ask you, name a fighter 50 yrs old who has little to no experience in boxing that can beat Mayweather, just the same way that Mercer KO'd Sylvia brutally, and to the other bolded part of your post, same way Severn and no other MMA fighter would last 12 rounds or even 10 rounds against a world class boxer, they only fight for 15 minutes on a non-title fight for godsake and 25 minutes in a championship fight, guess all that fondeling and dry humping on the floor really tires them out

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

Problem with Syvia is he always fought like he thought he was a boxer. His ground game pretty much sucked, and his takedown "defense" was his size. The UFC HW division was weaker than boxing's and Couture had to come back to whoop him; then Brock, then Mercer.

I had forgot about his fight with Mercer being basically a boxing match; but it wouldn't have matterd because Tim still would have fought him like a boxer and not attemptd to take him down, so he'd of lost anyways. Tim always fought that way and was garbage.

[OumaFan]

Sylvia is a joke yet he's a 2 time UFC heavyweight champion what does that say about MMA? my point is, MMA is pretty much overall a weak sport, anybody can beat anybody and there is no real DOMINANT fighter in the sport, aside from maybe Emilianenko (spelling?!?), you said "Tell me Floyd would stand a chance against a guy who outweighs him by almost 100 pounds like Dan Severn outweighed Joyce" so i ask you, name a fighter 50 yrs old who has little to no experience in boxing that can beat Mayweather, just the same way that Mercer KO'd Sylvia brutally, and to the other bolded part of your post, same way Severn and no other MMA fighter would last 12 rounds or even 10 rounds against a world class boxer, they only fight for 15 minutes on a non-title fight for godsake and 25 minutes in a championship fight, guess all that fondeling and dry humping on the floor really tires them out

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

when people that have no previous experience in professional combat sports, Bob Sapp, Lesnar, Lashley, etc., go on to become "real threats" and have "lucrative" careers in the sport, well it doesn't say much good, and yea that's 1 former pro football/part time actor, and 2 former WWE wrestlers

I don't even know who Lashley is so I'll ignore that but Lesnar seems to be the much more serious MMA guy compared to Sapp and saying he was a former WWE guy is ignoring the fact that he was an all american wrestler in college which is one of the base styles of MMA. Add in he's a phenomenal roided out athlete and huge for a MMA heavyweight so its no surprise why he's good at it.

BTW I don't even think of myself as a MMA apologist, boxing is by far number one for me, UFC 100 bored the shit out of me.

[ElTerribleMorales]

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

when people that have no previous experience in professional combat sports, Bob Sapp, Lesnar, Lashley, etc., go on to become "real threats" and have "lucrative" careers in the sport, well it doesn't say much good, and yea that's 1 former pro football/part time actor, and 2 former WWE wrestlers

I don't even know who Lashley is so I'll ignore that but Lesnar seems to be the much more serious MMA guy compared to Sapp and saying he was a former WWE guy is ignoring the fact that he was an all american wrestler in college which is one of the base styles of MMA. Add in he's a phenomenal roided out athlete and huge for a MMA heavyweight so its no surprise why he's good at it.

BTW I don't even think of myself as a MMA apologist, boxing is by far number one for me, UFC 100 bored the shit out of me.

Lashley is just another former WWE wreslter who's trying to cash out on the MMA craze, wouldn't be shocked to see Olympic Gold Medalist, and former WWE wrestler Kurt Angle make the jump to MMA as well

[Kev]

Sylvia is a joke yet he's a 2 time UFC heavyweight champion what does that say about MMA? my point is, MMA is pretty much overall a weak sport, anybody can beat anybody and there is no real DOMINANT fighter in the sport, aside from maybe Emilianenko (spelling?!?), you said "Tell me Floyd would stand a chance against a guy who outweighs him by almost 100 pounds like Dan Severn outweighed Joyce" so i ask you, name a fighter 50 yrs old who has little to no experience in boxing that can beat Mayweather, just the same way that Mercer KO'd Sylvia brutally, and to the other bolded part of your post, same way Severn and no other MMA fighter would last 12 rounds or even 10 rounds against a world class boxer, they only fight for 15 minutes on a non-title fight for godsake and 25 minutes in a championship fight, guess all that fondeling and dry humping on the floor really tires them out

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

when people that have no previous experience in professional combat sports, Bob Sapp, Lesnar, Lashley, etc., go on to become "real threats" and have "lucrative" careers in the sport, well it doesn't say much good, and yea that's 1 former pro football/part time actor, and 2 former WWE wrestlers

Wasn't Mickey Rourke undefeated as a pro boxer?

What about Matt Skelton a former K1 star who turned to profesional boxing aged 37 and went on to fight Ruslan Chagaev for a world title?

[OumaFan]

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

when people that have no previous experience in professional combat sports, Bob Sapp, Lesnar, Lashley, etc., go on to become "real threats" and have "lucrative" careers in the sport, well it doesn't say much good, and yea that's 1 former pro football/part time actor, and 2 former WWE wrestlers

Wasn't Mickey Rourke undefeated as a pro boxer?

What about Matt Skelton a former K1 star who turned to profesional boxing aged 37 and went on to fight Ruslan Chagaev for a world title?

ElTerrible can have a field day with that though, Mickey Roure didn't fight anybody, Brock Lesnar is the UFC heavyweight champion.

Lucky for you I've already made some really great points on this thread

[ElTerribleMorales]

How has Mercer little to no experience in boxing he was a former heavyweight world champ?

And if you mean as I think you mean that Mercer was entering into an MMA contest so you mean show you a 50 year MMA star with no experience in boxing that could beat Floyd in a boxing fight, then you need to know that the Silvia Mercer fight was not an MMA fight.

It was sanctioned as a boxing fight until the authorities wouldn't allow that so it then became an MMA bout officialy but Slyvia pledged to keep it just to boxing, with only punches, so it was an almost 50 year old former world champ knocking out a 35ish year old with little to no boxing experience, basically the opposite point of what you are arguing.

Also have you ever stopped to consider that the reason its harder to make the transition to world class in boxing is because in boxing every other form of combat is outlawed?

If a world class boxer goes into MMA he is still allowed to box, but if a world class ju jitsu or greco roman wrestler enters boxing all of his skills are effectively outlawed so of course it would be harder.

Brock Lesnar wouldn't make it to heavyweight champ in boxing because his core advantage in MMA, wrestling and that sheer overpowering physicality would be outlawed in boxing. He'd just have to stand up and punch and his lack of experience would see him getting owned.

Put him in a ring with either Klitschko where its anything goes however and my money is on Brock coming out on top. They would have to land one on him quick before he got to them else they are being pounded and brutalised on the ground.

Maybe they would do better than that I don't know, they are very big strong guys themselves after all, my point is though that its much easier to make the transition from boxing to MMA because you have already mastered one aspect of mixed martial arts, i.e use of the fists. For an MMA star however much of what they have learned is usueless to them in boxing because its not allowed.

when people that have no previous experience in professional combat sports, Bob Sapp, Lesnar, Lashley, etc., go on to become "real threats" and have "lucrative" careers in the sport, well it doesn't say much good, and yea that's 1 former pro football/part time actor, and 2 former WWE wrestlers

Wasn't Mickey Rourke undefeated as a pro boxer?

What about Matt Skelton a former K1 star who turned to profesional boxing aged 37 and went on to fight Ruslan Chagaev for a world title?

how many world title shots did Rourke get?

and you said it a former K1 kickBOXING star turned pro boxer, kickboxing is a combat sport, not some some road show with men in tights who claim to be in brutal matches, yet defend their titles weekly , Vitali Klitschko was a world champion in both boxing and kickboxing

[Kev]

when people that have no previous experience in professional combat sports, Bob Sapp, Lesnar, Lashley, etc., go on to become "real threats" and have "lucrative" careers in the sport, well it doesn't say much good, and yea that's 1 former pro football/part time actor, and 2 former WWE wrestlers

Wasn't Mickey Rourke undefeated as a pro boxer?

What about Matt Skelton a former K1 star who turned to profesional boxing aged 37 and went on to fight Ruslan Chagaev for a world title?

how many world title shots did Rourke get?

and you said it a former K1 kickBOXING star turned pro boxer, kickboxing is a combat sport, not some some road show with men in tights who claim to be in brutal matches, yet defend their titles weekly , Vitali Klitschko was a world champion in both boxing and kickboxing

But seriously how can you not see that somebody like Bob Sapp, who is a freaking man mountain wouldn't be quite succesful in a sport where anything goes?

His monstrous size wouldn't matter in boxing because he couldn't use it to his advantage but in MMA he can do what he wants with it.

The point you completely fail to understand is that not just MMA fighters would have trouble with Bob Sapp in an MMA fight but BOXERS would struggle with him in an MMA fight as well.

Boxing is a very very restricted combat sport. The reason it's harder to master boxing is that you have to be versed in those specifics, any other combat skills are irelevent.

To use an army analogy its like saying that an armoured jeep is better than a tank because it could thrash a tank in a road race and could beat it around some offroad terrain too.

Of course this would be missing the point that both an armoured jeep and tank are built for offroad conditions so of course the jeep could well offroad, but it ignores the fact that the tank has some pretty fucking kickass firepower that isn't being displayed in these tests.

Boxing is a part of MMA so a boxer can use his skills in MMA, whereas kicking, ju jitsu, wrestling etc are not part of boxing so an mixed martial artist cannot use his skills in a boxing ring.

It's so obvious to anyone with even two brain cells to rub together

[OumaFan]

And we can add ElTerrible to the list of people Bilbo's insulted lately

I've never noticed this before, a surly Bilbo.

[CFH]

And we can add ElTerrible to the list of people Bilbo's insulted lately

I've never noticed this before, a surly Bilbo.

I haven't noticed him insulting anyone else.

For the record, I happen to agree with everything Bilbo said regarding MMA vs. Boxing. I've said similar things in the past.