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In this instance, Inoue is jabbing and then stepping
this didnt happen. there was no additional step.

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Inoue does pivot but doesn't get to fully pivot because his heel steps on Payano's foot. Payano's knee keeps Inoue from completing the revolution or Inoue is forced to turn from the waist up instead of fulling getting his hips and lower body into the transfer of energy.
it sounds like you are saying that he would have pivoted himself into a new location to get a different angle to throw his right hand, if payano's knee didnt get in the way? why are you assuming he needs a different angle to throw his right hand? this is what i mean by overthinking.
He was stepping into a power jab. One motion two different things going on. You're stepping into it to get more power into it but you're gaining ground. When his foot plants as/after the jab is making contact, it becomes the pivoting point for the right hand to come across. He wouldn't move into a new position if Payano's knee wasn't there, but fully turn into the Payanos pocket (12 o clock) and put more force on the right hand. Stepping on Payano's foot might have inhibited him a little because his footing may not have been secure, but it doesn't look like much because hes going to push off and pivot on that foot anyway to get force on the right hand as he turns into him. Pacquiao would do the same thing (blitz you by Stepping in with Power Jab / doubling up on the jab to get you going back and then come across with his left as you pivoted away) only he was a tad more linear because he used to come in faster (which left him open into be turned by his opponents if they countered with hooks and controlled his head as they pivoted off)

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this doesnt explain the original claim that he moved himself into a different location to throw his right hand from a new angle. you are contradicting that point here.

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When his foot plants as/after the jab is making contact, it becomes the pivoting point for the right hand to come across.
if as you say, he throws his right hand from the same place he threw his jab, then the claim that he threw his jab and then moved to somewhere else to throw his right hand cant be true. it has to be one or the other.



the timeline to me seems to be that he throws a jab, waits a little, throws a right hand, then starts to move out of the way after the right hand landed, and not before that. any other interpretation seems like a hasty way to force it to fit into an unrelated narrative.

it also doesnt explain why he would need to throw his right hand from a different angle here in the first place. that strikes me as being a really excessive process to go through to throw the right hand.

i didnt see him step on payano's foot, but maybe he did. can you tell me where on his foot i should be looking at and when so i can understand the relevance of this event? i can blow it up slow it down and make a gif out of it.

i dont really understand the relevance of the pacquio gifs as they pertain to step arounds. for the record this is what a step around looks like.