Creation and evolution aside,

[luvfightgame]

I still say F*** god at this point - but to each his own and I don't look down on anyone who has faith in a superior being

But if you've NEVER questioned it, you are a sheeple which is worse than being the devil himself (http://www.sheeple.net!)

I've definitely questioned it. I once held similiar opinions to yours. I think you are blaming God for what should be blamed on the devil. Did you realize names have meanings? Satan means deceiver, or liar. The devil is referenced by several different names in the Bible and each one has a significant meaning. Mainly- liar, deciever, ensnarer, murderer, theif.

By the way it is very debatable whether life is being extended. According to the Bible pre flood humans lived to be 900+ years. God set the limit of 120 years after the flood and there are reports of many people in ancient times living 100+ years. Right now we are averaging 70. Is that higher or lower than 900?

[raleights]

Scientists have pinpointed the gene in the human body that causes the aging process and are doing thier best to manipulate this gene, combine that with being able to create any body part or organ from scratch using stemcells and I have a feeling 100+ years isn't a big deal

Still far fetched because it's not here yet.... but look how far we've already come in 100 years

It can go further

[luvfightgame]

Scientists have pinpointed the gene in the human body that causes the aging process and are doing thier best to manipulate this gene, combine that with being able to create any body part or organ from scratch using stemcells and I have a feeling 100+ years isn't a big deal

Still far fetched because it's not here yet.... but look how far we've already come in 100 years

It can go further

Right, but that is assuming we didn't start out at 900 years. If that were the case, look how far we have regressed. Also stemcells hasn't produced anything. The researcher that provided this groundbreaking evidence admitted he lied. Stemcells so far is nothing but a dream. They talk about potential, that means there is nothing yet. In addition just knowing which gene doesn't have an effect on anything. We know pluto exists, but we can't travel there. That's about how far away science is from doing anything with these genes.

[raleights]

We also didn't have aviation at one point and it failed miserably over and over and over, finally someone got it right. (Wright! )

So you're saying don't try? Thats the archaic mentality we all should fight against, don't try because your complascent with religion? No offense but thats not my fault and I shouldn't have to pay for it

[luvfightgame]

We also didn't have aviation at one point and it failed miserably over and over and over, finally someone got it right. (Wright! )

So you're saying don't try? Thats the archaic mentality we all should fight against, don't try because your complascent with religion? No offense but thats not my fault and I shouldn't have to pay for it

Not saying we shouldn't try. Just saying I am not impressed by what could be. Did you know that in the 1940's they were predicting that by the time 2000 we would all be traveling in flying cars and stuff like that? We have made some advancements, but nothing like the predictions. I think the same will happen with stemcells and dna manipulation. It may help out with some type of disease or situation, but it will never catapult us into being able to avoid death, or extend life beyond the 120yrs we see now. They hype it up so that the public will support huge government tax dollars going to fund it. Basically the companies want the general public to foot the bill for research because they have no real evidence that it will work. If they did, they would keep it secret until they perfected it, then patent it and mass market it. Pfizer didn't ask for public funds to develop "viagra". That's because they knew it would work and they could make a ton of money off it so they invested their own money into it. When private companies aren't willing to invest in something that means they aren't confident in getting a return on their money. That means they don't really have a reason to think it will work yet.

[raleights]

I have the same doubts you do, but because of your faith it sounds like you'd rather it didnt work out - which is kinda fucked up.

Almost as fucked up as saying the devil turned my father into a drug addict

[luvfightgame]

I have the same doubts you do, but because of your faith it sounds like you'd rather it didnt work out - which is kinda fucked up.

Almost as fucked up as saying the devil turned my father into a drug addict

It not working out would have nothing to do with my faith, I would like to see it work. I just know that the whole reason is for money. Companies don't beg for the government to fund their research if they think it will work.

I didn't say the devil made turned your father into an addict. I believe people have free choice to make their own decisions and we are stuck with the consequences. I doubt your father understood what was going to happen the first time he decided to experiment with the drug. However all addictions are demonic. I have seen people delivered from addictions, and I have seen demons.

[raleights]

you have seen demons, they're called people

[luvfightgame]

you have seen demons, they're called people

cc.

[raleights]

back at ya

you know toying with ones inner demon can be one of the funnest activities on the planet :P

[bigragu]

However if you believe in God, you no longer are limited to trying to explain the impossible through random chance alone.

Believing that God created everything is pretty limiting, don't ya think?


Life is not impossible, it's not a miracle.

exactly....most people need something to give them meaning.....they can't accept the fact that we are just here......but if that makes them a better person and not a hypocrate then that is cool....but keep that SH*T to yourself......more people have been killed because of this "GOD" character than anything else...Radical Muslims, The Crusades, George W. Bush...the list is too long to mention.....

[Fenster]

I believe there is a Creator. I also believe that the evidence is overwhelming. I believe we have to be brainwashed into NOT believing in God. Every civilization throughout the ages believes in some form of a higher power, and they all have some form of an afterlife. It is only in recent times that people have become "too smart" to believe in God. Supposedly science has evidence, unfortunately the evidence is actually theory which isn't science, it's philosophy. The "scientific" explanations for the orgin of life don't fit the definition for science, they DO fit the definition for religion though.

I don't have a problem with people that don't believe in God. I just have a problem with people that won't accept that they are operating on faith not fact, just as much as any Bible believer. The atheists feel they have more evidence for there religion, and that is not the case. We are all in the faith boat, there is nothing but BELIEF for both sides of the argument.

Atheism is a religion?

[luvfightgame]

However if you believe in God, you no longer are limited to trying to explain the impossible through random chance alone.

Believing that God created everything is pretty limiting, don't ya think?


Life is not impossible, it's not a miracle.

exactly....most people need something to give them meaning.....they can't accept the fact that we are just here......but if that makes them a better person and not a hypocrate then that is cool....but keep that SH*T to yourself......more people have been killed because of this "GOD" character than anything else...Radical Muslims, The Crusades, George W. Bush...the list is too long to mention.....

You are sadly mistaken about who is behind the crusades. Also it's the religion that promotes evolution; secular humanism that is recommending eliminating 9/10ths of the worlds population.

THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

Limiting the population of the earth to 500 million will require the extermination of nine-tenths of the world's people. The American Stonehenge's reference to establishing a world court foreshadows the current move to create an International Criminal Court and a world government. The Guidestones' emphasis on preserving nature anticipates the environmental movement of the 1990s, and the reference to "seeking harmony with the infinite" reflects the current effort to replace Judeo-Christian beliefs with a new spirituality.

The message of the American Stonehenge also foreshadowed the current drive for Sustainable Development. Any time you hear the phrase "Sustainable Development" used, you should substitute the term "socialism" to be able to understand what is intended. Later in this syllabus you will read the full text of the Earth Charter which was compiled under the direction of Mikhail Gorbachev and Maurice Strong. In that document you will find an emphasis on the same basic issues: control of reproduction, world governance, the importance of nature and the environment, and a new spirituality. The similarity between the ideas engraved on the Georgia Guidestones and those espoused in the Earth Charter reflect the common origins of both.

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. The devil is referenced by several different names in the Bible and each one has a significant meaning. Mainly- liar, deciever, ensnarer, murderer, theif.

"Bringer of Light" - sounds like a top bloke to me.

[luvfightgame]

. The devil is referenced by several different names in the Bible and each one has a significant meaning. Mainly- liar, deciever, ensnarer, murderer, theif.

"Bringer of Light" - sounds like a top bloke to me.

Actually it's "bearer" not bringer. But God changed his name. It is fairly common in the Bible for God to change someones name after a significant event. Abram=Abraham, Jacob=Israel, Sarai=Sarah, Saul=Paul. Get the idea.