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You know how i know boxing is dead in the U.S
I can miss a big fight on Saturday night with the intentions of downloading the fight the next day or watching it for free the next saturday and not have to worry about hearing the results before i see the fight. The only exception would be 1. if Hopkins fights because i live in Philly. 2. I get on a boxing website. other than that i have no worries.
matter of fact even when hopkins fights the local media still act like it's not important.
this is really sad
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You're right, it doesn't get much coverage, but I was surprised out of my mind yesterday I was watching a college game on espn and the commentator brought up taylors and pavliks fight, that was refreshing.
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We've got no heavyweights. If there were one or two good heavyweights it would help boxing a lot.
Just a dude in blue.
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Good point.Not to sound like a fossil but imagine what It was like without the internet and the mass of Sites and easy access Today.I remember when there was a big fight and not being able to see it at all . I gave up on The networks for post fight coverage a long time ago.....There to busy showing The world series of poker .
I think In a way The availability and International Media at our finger tips right now has resulted in them stepping up,the General Sports media/Regular media has had to play catch up.Then again How long has It been since one of the big Three networks has shown a live weekend Boxing show.
Like You said also do not rely on the Local news either,They have Priorities In sports ....Farking Jr.Highschool Football results and The winner of the Monthly Horseshoe tournament...No s!!!
Nebraska Disasta!
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I fail to see why it would be considered a "bad" thing by anyone that boxing is not nearly as much of a topic for todays media...
To be honest, I like the state of boxing in the U.S. today..You can keep all the things that come with a sport being "popular"... As soon as the major corporations and major media outlets pick up on something it gets cheapened every time...
Arenas start getting packed with executives entertaining clients, ticket prices go through the roof, the media gets even more biased and chooses who will be a star (look at what they've done to baseball with their Red Sox - Yankees obsession) and the hardcore boxing fans get pushed further and further away from the sport...
Nah, I have the internet, I can find out any info I need on a boxer.. Screw major media and let them stick to licking Eli Mannings bum..
I like the feeling I have now of the sport. It's like knowing a secret no one else knows. And I'd like to keep it as hush hush as I can...
"I got a million dollar body and a ten cent brain."
- Max Baer
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And TV doesn't help either. Even in the eighties when there was free national TV coverage of big fights. Because fights were on national TV for everyone to see they got commensurate coverage in other media. Big fights were a watercooler topic.
Now it's all PPV and satellite/cable. People have to pay money and this automatically removes boxing from the mass market and turns it into a niche interest. Which means almost zero mass media coverage of the buildup/participants etc. It means nobody discussing it at work and that you have to hit the "specialist" option on your remote. Which is the same option for certain kinds of films, isn't it.
But no heavyweight to impinge on national conciousness and no free-to-air TV coverage of the really big fights means we're a niche sport. It's a bugger but there you go.
In a few years when computer processor power/broadband connections are advanced enough to function as TV, the potential market for PPV boxing events goes from a few million homes worldwide to a few billion. Then we're eventually going to see billionaire boxers. Hopefully. Better that than billionaire UFC/similar people.
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You hit the nail on the head, with no American Heavyweight Champion US media will put boxing way down the list of sporting importance.Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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We've got half a dozen great heavywieghts. It's just become the 'in' thing to bash the heavyweights that's all.
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Boxing did it to itself....they priced themselves out of favor with the fans and more importantly the stations covering the events (NBC).
Look at UFC and MMA it's everywhere! Because it's good? NOOOOO because it's CHEAP!!!!
UFC PPV's are cheap as hell when compared to boxing...sure the shmucks fighting in the UFC don't get paid as well as let's say De la Hoya, RJJ, Pacquiao, and Mayweather Jr. but they give the fans what they want for what they are willing to pay.
I don't mind SOME fights being PPV but when Shannon Briggs-Ray Mercer is a PPV fight in 2005 then something is mega wrong. Also the highlights of these fights can't be shown often or at all in most cases.
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Boxing did it to itself....they priced themselves out of favor with the fans and more importantly the stations covering the events (NBC).
Look at UFC and MMA it's everywhere! Because it's good
UFC PPV's are cheap as hell when compared to boxing...sure the shmucks fighting in the UFC don't get paid as well as let's say De la Hoya, RJJ, Pacquiao, and Mayweather Jr. but they give the fans what they want for what they are willing to pay.
I don't mind SOME fights being PPV but when Shannon Briggs-Ray Mercer is a PPV fight in 2005 then something is mega wrong. Also the highlights of these fights can't be shown often or at all in most cases.
I agree I will say this David Tua vs Saul Montana is not PPV worthy. That and the amount of coverage on our beloved ESPN.Why is it that PTI or around the horn can't chime in unless it's Tyson getting a DUI or Oscar dressing in fishnet's.HBO and Showtime have also added their parts in destroying the sport by making contracts to fighter's and taking them away from mainstream T.V. I think the government should take over the sport. Put it on ABC or NBC in America and we the fans can decide how much these fighter's get for the fight.Pay them half before the fight and if they put on a good showing give them the other half and bonuses if it was very entertaining.
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Boxing did it to itself....they priced themselves out of favor with the fans and more importantly the stations covering the events (NBC).
Look at UFC and MMA it's everywhere! Because it's good
UFC PPV's are cheap as hell when compared to boxing...sure the shmucks fighting in the UFC don't get paid as well as let's say De la Hoya, RJJ, Pacquiao, and Mayweather Jr. but they give the fans what they want for what they are willing to pay.
I don't mind SOME fights being PPV but when Shannon Briggs-Ray Mercer is a PPV fight in 2005 then something is mega wrong. Also the highlights of these fights can't be shown often or at all in most cases.
Where I live UFC PPV's are 49.99, same as almost any boxing PPV. And I don't think the price would have anything to do with it's popularity even if it were cheaper. Like it or not, the UFC has done a much better job marketing itself than boxing has forever. Maybe that's only because it's in the infancy stage and Dana White still controls all the action, making matchmaking so much easier. Basically every UFC event someone I know will have a bunch of people over to throw in 5 bucks each and drink some beers, BBQ, and watch the fights. Only time I've ever heard of a social event contingent on a boxing match was Mayweather DLH and most of my friends thought it was really boring. I think UFC just appeals to the average bloodthirsty young male, who don't need to appreciate the skillset involved as long as they see guys with mohawks busting each other up.
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Kirkland just likes to bitch is all.We've got half a dozen great heavywieghts. It's just become the 'in' thing to bash the heavyweights that's all.
I think the division is competitive
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OK i heare you but lets just say i live in a country where i couldn't get last nights fight....
i avoided all the results....
avoided all my emails....
i downloaded the fight taking time not to click any link....
then i have a good concept on formats and know if its this or that format i can work just what round the fight ended...
and if a don't know what round the fight ended and i'm watching it and its round 4 and it has only streamed just under one 3rd of the stream then i can guess it will end in point and usually to the boxer that won the first 4 rounds....
i hate downloads and it is killinig the sport but they will never replace the live events.....
but Sopcasts now that could kill the sport
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Consider the local media,its driven by WIP,and 610 is all Eagles all the time,they barely even remember the Flyers anymore
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It's good to see a Philly guy on here. I don't even think most of the WIP host know what boxing is. The few times that anybody on there mentions boxing it's mormaly something negitive. As soon as training camp starts it's all eagles on WIP. Matter fact they countdown to to trainning camp. The sixers are barely mention untill after the all star game.
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